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       NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
   DIR By: crxvtec
       Date: May 26, 2026, 1:52 pm
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       I've received the enclosed NIP for breaching a red light.
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       I have no recollection at all of doing that and I'm not in the
       habit of running red lights.
       I note from the NIP that the signal was red for over 30 seconds.
       The photo evidence provided shows my vehicle stationary past the
       white line, therefore I believe I was entitled to proceed. Can I
       contest the NIP on these grounds?
       Photos enclosed from the enforcement camera.
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       #Post#: 119779--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
   DIR By: FuzzyDuck
       Date: May 26, 2026, 2:00 pm
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       Looks to me like you passed the stop line when the lights were
       on red (bottom left image vs bottom right), so not sure why you
       think you were stationary?
       Looks like a slam dunk for the police to me. Take whatever is
       offered.
       #Post#: 119781--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: May 26, 2026, 2:28 pm
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       --- Quote from: crxvtec link ---
       >
       > The photo evidence provided shows my vehicle stationary past
       the white line, therefore I believe I was entitled to proceed.
       --- End Quote ---
       If nobody actually looks at the photographs, and you don't mind
       risking a custodial sentence for perjury or perverting the
       course of justice, if you were already fully beyond the whites
       line(s) when the lights turned red then, ignoring that the
       restriction also applies to the preceding amber light, subject
       to the defence of it not being safe to stop, you do not commit
       the offence.
       The offence is committed if any part of your vehicle crosses the
       stop line (or either of the stop lines where there is also an
       advanced stop line) in the forward direction while the red light
       (or amber light is it would have been safe to stop) is showing.
       Regardless of what absurd basis upon which you are claiming that
       the first photo shows your vehicle stationary, whilst it is past
       the advanced stop line, it is not past the conventional stop
       line. The light is showing red. There is no *the* white line
       when there are two applicable white lines.
       Whilst the red light was showing your vehicle clearly crossed
       the conventional stop line and had proceeded half way across the
       junction.It had crossed that line while the light was red. If
       you look at the position of the pedestrians stepping out onto
       the crossing in the first picture and compare with the second
       picture, the time between photos was very short, and you would
       have needed to seriously launch your car to cover that distance
       from your fictitious standstill - which would presumably be
       evident both from the rear of your car squatting down and the
       pedestrian on your nearside diving for cover.
       #Post#: 119783--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
   DIR By: Southpaw82
       Date: May 26, 2026, 2:51 pm
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       You should be convicted just for putting a roof rack on a Cayman
       🤣
       #Post#: 119792--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
   DIR By: JustLoveCars
       Date: May 26, 2026, 4:20 pm
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       That time into red is going to court regardless.
       Pleading not guilty on the basis of those photos is going to be
       an expensive day out.
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