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Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: gmoney
Date: May 22, 2026, 4:03 am
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Hi all
I've recieved a PCN for stopping briefly in the yellow box
outside meantime brewery, and the PCN is £160, reduced to £80,
which is a little steep.
Grounds for appeal would be that there was slow moving traffic
continuously over it, no additional signage, but *critically* it
appears a yellow box can only be legally on a road without a
junction in the following circs: 'on the length of road adjacent
to the vehicular entrance to the premises of a fire, police, or
ambulance station'. This is a small box is outside Meantime
brewery, and I would have thought should be a KEEP CLEAR rather
than a fined yellow box. Would I be correct in thinking that? Or
should I bite the bullet and pay>
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/MiSykPQ
Thanks all!
G
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 22, 2026, 4:13 am
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Welcome to FTLA!
For meanungful advice please to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post here all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name &
address from documents - leave all else in),.
The video - this is the evidence,
and a GSV link to the location.
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: gmoney
Date: May 22, 2026, 4:24 am
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Google SVW link -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/L2Bpfh6PprbMLRYm8
PCN -
HTML https://postimg.cc/dhrjcytb
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 22, 2026, 5:03 am
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You've blanked the VRM...
In this case Greenwich defaulted but has arguments.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-31j-stopping-in-yellow-box-blakwall-lane/15/
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 22, 2026, 5:04 am
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Please can you confirm the vehicle registration so we can review
the video.
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: gmoney
Date: May 22, 2026, 6:22 am
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Apologies, classic first time poster error - VRM is RF65 RZC
Video will show me bang to rights, just wondering about the
legality of the box in the first place. Appreciate the advice!
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 22, 2026, 7:08 am
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Thanks - video now reviewed. Agree that I don't think there's
anything in there that would save you.
The non-compliance of the box is a strong argument from my
perspective, but I had a look on London Tribunals to see if
there had been any previous success on those grounds. The name
of the location is such that it's not straightforward to get
many hits, but this one did come up. Not sure I fully
understand the logic.
Case Details
Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
within 28 days.
Reasons
The appellant attended the hearing of this appeal today on the
Microsoft Teams video conferencing platform. The council did not
attend the hearing, it not being expected to do so.
The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this
vehicle, at Blackwall Lane, outside Meantime Brewery, entered
and stopped in a box junction when prohibited.
I reserved my decision.
The appellant contends that this box is not marked in compliance
with the statutory requirements as identified in his letter of
25 January 2026, supported by the evidence he provides.
I have considered what is said.
Although the entrance to the Meantime Brewery is, as the
appellant says, locked, gated, and without public access, a
'road', on the decided cases, is defined as extending from
building line to building line. This vehicular entrance to the
brewery, in my view, meets that requirement, it I note being
on/at Telcon Road, albeit that pubic access is controlled. I
thus find that this box is marked at the junction of two roads,
and I am satisfied that this contravention occurred.
The appeal is refused.
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 22, 2026, 12:47 pm
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Prestidigitation by Mr Harman ! He must have breakfasted on
lemons that day.
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: gmoney
Date: May 23, 2026, 6:03 am
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This seems like a very harsh interpretation, as the 'telcon
road' is separate on google maps, and this is just more 'telcon
road' which is unattached, is gated off and appears as a
builders yard
in this case that StamfordMan linked above they didn't provide
evidence:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-31j-stopping-in-yellow-box-blakwall-lane/
I guess I'll carry on with the appeal that it's not a legal
junction and hope for a friendlier judge
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Re: Greenwich Borough PCN Meantime Brewery 31J Blackwall Ln
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 23, 2026, 7:21 am
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I think it's a strong argument but would be the first to admit
an adjudicator will know more about the law than me.
The way the decision is worded, however, I do wonder if that
individual argued wrongly about what the issue is. The building
line isn't really relevant how I see it. The issue is that the
box junction has to be situated at a junction of two roads. Is
Telcon Road a road in the legal sense if it's blocked off to the
public at the point it meets Blackwell Lane?
I can find at least one other case in another location where
this argument has been successful.
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