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       #Post#: 12075--------------------------------------------------
       Epping Forest District Council, contravention 86 – Parked beyond
       the bay markings, Sainsburys Car Park
   DIR By: camchalmers
       Date: December 8, 2023, 5:04 am
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       I parked in the Sainsburys Car Park for the full day (and paid
       for the ticket). When I returned to my car, I had a parking
       ticket saying that I was parked beyond bay markings. The signs
       in the car park just say you need to be parked within a marked
       bay, but don't define what a marked bay is and the kerbed bay
       that I was in looks like a parking space with no signage saying
       differently.
       PCN picture here:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/hYkLlXb.jpg
       Response from informal appeal:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/U7vKVUA.png
       Street view link:
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/heqvutJfNyJKJhZX8
       Picture of my car parked in the space:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/ZlkyYZE.jpg
       Any help will be appreciated
       #Post#: 12076--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Epping Forest District Council, contravention 86 – Parked
       beyond the bay markings, Sainsburys Car Park
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: December 8, 2023, 5:11 am
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       Please to post a copy of your challenge.
       #Post#: 12077--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Epping Forest District Council, contravention 86 – Parked
       beyond the bay markings, Sainsburys Car Park
   DIR By: camchalmers
       Date: December 8, 2023, 5:23 am
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       --- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
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       > Please to post a copy of your challenge.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       How do I find this? It was a webform that I submitted where I
       submitted the photo of my parked car and said that I don't
       believe to be outside of a marked bay. I also said there's no
       signs posted that suggest it's not a space and there's no
       markings saying not to park there. I don't have a copy of what I
       submitted though as it was a web form
       #Post#: 12078--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Epping Forest District Council, contravention 86 – Parked
       beyond the bay markings, Sainsburys Car Park
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: December 8, 2023, 5:51 am
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       If that is complete to the best of your recollection that will
       have to suffice. THe experts here will try to judge how well (or
       not) the council considered your challenge, dealing with the
       points you raised.
       #Post#: 12116--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Epping Forest District Council, contravention 86 – Parked
       beyond the bay markings, Sainsburys Car Park
   DIR By: BigBazz45
       Date: December 8, 2023, 8:56 pm
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       As an aside, earlier Streetview imagery, such as this from 2009
       ([URL=
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/vJScXXC8ZKG524LP9]https://maps.app.goo.gl/vJScXXC8ZKG524LP9[/url])<br
       />shows where the OP parked to have previously been a trolley
       park, but it's lost its shelter at some point.
       Obviously we don't know how full the car park was when the OP
       arrived, but the markings on the actual bays in that area appear
       to be clearly visible, even in the dark.
       #Post#: 12119--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Epping Forest District Council, contravention 86 – Parked
       beyond the bay markings, Sainsburys Car Park
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: December 9, 2023, 2:06 am
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       The council has chosen to mark the vast majority of bays with
       hard kerbs and white lines. In your case they expect you to know
       that 2 kerbs good, three kerbs bad!
       If they want to limit parking to bays marked with one or more
       white lines then IMO they need to say so.
       Does the noticeboard state this?
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