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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 21, 2026, 11:20 am
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So they got your reps but you didn't get the notice of
rejection. Not a loading bay but poorly marked no loading on
double yellows near to your car.
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: Duggan95
Date: May 21, 2026, 11:28 am
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> So they got your reps but you didn't get the notice of
rejection. Not a loading bay but poorly marked no loading on
double yellows near to your car.
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Yes that's correct, apart from two letters saying the charge
has/had increased.
Do I have a leg to stand on here, or is it a lost cause?
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 21, 2026, 11:57 am
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IMO, you have two separate issues here:
1. Their evidence that they considered and rejected your formal
representations and your claim that you did not receive this
response. This is procedural and financial;
2. The substantive matter of your PCN and whether an adjudicator
would allow any appeal, which also has financial implications.
As regards 1, we will guide you in order to reduce the current
charge of £240 down to at least £120 and possibly £60.
As regards 2, we would advise how to take the matter to
adjudication and give views on your prospects.
For now there is nothing for you to do. You do not step outside
procedure with correspondence to all and sundry, you stay within
procedure, keep an eye on your post and the council's website
once the CC's 14 days have expired and keep us up to speed.
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: Duggan95
Date: May 21, 2026, 12:09 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> IMO, you have two separate issues here:
> 1. Their evidence that they considered and rejected your
formal representations and your claim that you did not receive
this response. This is procedural and financial;
>
> 2. The substantive matter of your PCN and whether an
adjudicator would allow any appeal, which also has financial
implications.
>
> As regards 1, we will guide you in order to reduce the current
charge of £240 down to at least £120 and possibly £60.
>
> As regards 2, we would advise how to take the matter to
adjudication and give views on your prospects.
>
> For now there is nothing for you to do. You do not step
outside procedure with correspondence to all and sundry, you
stay within procedure, keep an eye on your post and the
council's website once the CC's 14 days have expired and keep us
up to speed.
>
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The biggest issue is that I even said to them that I was happy
to pay the original £80 fine
Thanks for your help, I will keep you updated
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 21, 2026, 5:59 pm
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Just to expand a bit on what Tincombe has said.
The council cannot enforce the PCN debt until they have
registered it with the Traffic Enforcement Centre, (TEC) (a form
of county court, but with no courts or judges). They can only do
this after the period for payment of the Charge Certificate has
expired. Some councils are quite prompt, but others can take
weeks. Registration means the £240 has £10 added to it, being
the TEC fee. They then send you an Order for Recovery, at which
point you can submit a Witness Statement to TEC ticking the box
for "submitted reps but didn't receive Notice of Rejection". TEC
will then revert the process to the stage where you submitted
representations but got no rejection letter.
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 21, 2026, 6:03 pm
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Not quite. Where you didn't get a notice of rejection the case
must be referred to the tribunal.
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 21, 2026, 6:19 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> Not quite. Where you didn't get a notice of rejection the case
must be referred to the tribunal.
>
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Yes, indeed that is the requirement, but I understand from
another thread is that there is a Practice Direction from London
Tribunals that the council can re-send the letter of rejection.
I think it was Neil B who pointed this out.
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> Re-service of Notice of Rejection after a Ground 2 Declaration
>
> 10.The Authority may re-serve the Notice of Rejection on the
Declarant and allow a further 28 days to appeal. To comply with
the Regulations, the Authority is required to refer the
declaration to the Adjudicator under these circumstances, even
though no action is required of the Adjudicator.
>
> 11. Where the Authority has re-served a Notice of Rejection
after a Ground 2 Declaration in line with the process described
in the paragraph above, and the Declarant appeals against the
reserved Notice of Rejection, the Authority should ensure that
the case summary indicates that there had been re-service. The
date of the re-service must be indicated in the verification
code and the Notice of Appeal form to enable the Proper Officer
to ascertain whether the appeals are made in time
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www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Practice%20Direction%2003-2024%20on%20behalf%20of%20ETA%2028%20November%202024%20%28PWS%29.pdf
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: Duggan95
Date: May 22, 2026, 3:40 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Just to expand a bit on what Tincombe has said.
>
> The council cannot enforce the PCN debt until they have
registered it with the Traffic Enforcement Centre, (TEC) (a form
of county court, but with no courts or judges). They can only do
this after the period for payment of the Charge Certificate has
expired. Some councils are quite prompt, but others can take
weeks. Registration means the £240 has £10 added to it, being
the TEC fee. They then send you an Order for Recovery, at which
point you can submit a Witness Statement to TEC ticking the box
for "submitted reps but didn't receive Notice of Rejection". TEC
will then revert the process to the stage where you submitted
representations but got no rejection letter.
>
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Thank you for this, I suppose my biggest worry is if the penalty
keeps increasing
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 22, 2026, 3:59 am
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You need to keep an eye on the status of the PCN on Brent's site
- you can only file a witness statement when the debt is
registered at TEC. You can also call TEC to check.
You don't need the posted order for recovery to make a witness
statement as the form can be done online and emailed to TEC.
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/62e14db38fa8f5649f912647/TE9.pdf
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Re: Enquiry
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 22, 2026, 4:03 am
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+1.
There is NOTHING you can do at this stage because that's
procedure.
The penalty won't increase*, it will decrease IF you follow
procedure which is set out clearly in this link, start at Charge
Certificate:
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process
There is nothing unusual, rare or unique about your position, we
see similar threads regularly. We know the very straightforward
procedure and would guide you. Ultimately, your next step is to
tick one box on a form, sign and send as directed (email
preferably) to the Traffic Enforcement Centre who will CANCEL
the charge certificate. The ball would then be in the
authority's court.
*- as stated by others, procedurally the authority have to pay
TEC £10 to register the debt and this is recoverable from you if
you don't follow our guidance. But this and CC surcharge are
both cancelled by TEC if you follow procedure.
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