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#Post#: 119356--------------------------------------------------
PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the markings
of the bay or space
DIR By: Gulley53
Date: May 20, 2026, 4:54 pm
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Hello,
Grateful for advice please. The driver received the above
contravention, a notice was left on the car despite that fact
that the supposed bay markings were so faded, they are
essentially non-existent. The driver feels this is completely
unjustified - if a council is going to fine someone for not
parking in a bay (not sure if that forms part of the HWC or
needs to be written on the adjacent signage) they must surely
have legible bay markings.
Please see the following 9 images, REG NUMBER redacted, but
otherwise unaltered images from the Council Website showing the
alleged evidence. It is telling that there are no direct photos
of the car tyres outside the bay (as the bay markings do not
exist).
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/v1dfV12K/Capture1.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/v1dfV12K
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/wtcJc6nG/Capture2.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/wtcJc6nG
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/hJbxbSN3/Capture3.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/hJbxbSN3
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/94tTtWs8/Capture4.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/94tTtWs8
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/R3QfQM2p/Capture5.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/R3QfQM2p
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/VSBMBY2T/Capture6.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/VSBMBY2T
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/rdCWC873/Capture7.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/rdCWC873
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/94tTtWss/Capture8.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/94tTtWss
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/QBk5kXvR/Capture9.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/QBk5kXvR
Additionally please see here for the front and rear of the PCN
left on the car:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/4KbtbJrZ/PCN-front.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/4KbtbJrZ
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/Z9F3FT1t/PCN-rear.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/Z9F3FT1t
Lastly, the following three images were taken by the driver
after moving the vehicle, to show the non-existent bay markings.
There is one fraction of a line visible, which does not
consitute a "bay". Please note the positon of the van in the
drivers' images, which is the same van as can be seen in the 1st
image of the Council's alleged evidence.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/HJ454pfG/Driver-Image-1.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/HJ454pfG
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/B8cDcqdG/Driver-Image-2.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/B8cDcqdG
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/d7mdmqzF/Driver-Image-3.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/d7mdmqzF
The driver assumes appealing will result in a rejection although
this is surely unjustified given the lack of clear bay markings.
Grateful for advice on the best way to appeal to the council and
any subseuqent independent/court appeals, should it be
necessary.
Many thanks in advance
#Post#: 119363--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the
markings of the bay or space
DIR By: catnip
Date: May 20, 2026, 5:47 pm
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Did the driver get a photo of the sign, the PCN evidence doesn't
show this?
That looks to be a different white van to the one shown in the
council's photos, also the cones are missing.
#Post#: 119365--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the
markings of the bay or space
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 20, 2026, 5:52 pm
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First a couple of questions: -
1.Are you prepared to stand your ground and take CoL to London
Tribunals ? You would have to risk the full PCN penalty of £110
2.Is the car yours and is the V5C Registration Certificate
up-to-date ? If it is hired or leased, the matter gets much more
complicated, (to the benefit of the council, naturally !!!)
Here are the bay markings shown on GSV latest view dated July
2022. For me, the markings are totally inadequate even when
unworn. It appears your car was straddling two bays, but it's
almost impossible to make that out from the current photos. I am
just extrapolating from the 2022 view. The sign makes no
reference to parking in a marked-out bay, so something else to
mention.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/22gthSbtujGigyCs8
In terms of the PCN, you can submit an informal challenge as the
driver, but councils reject >95% of these knowing that most
people then cough-up to get the discount. Things are only looked
at in any degree of seriousness at the Notice to Owner stage. If
you car is a hire or lease car, they get the Notice to Owner,
not you and you have no legal role in the enforcement process
unless it is transferred. Most hire and lease companies just pay
the NtO and off-charge it, adding in an "admin" fee, naturally !
#Post#: 119370--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the
markings of the bay or space
DIR By: Gulley53
Date: May 20, 2026, 7:29 pm
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--- Quote from: catnip link ---
>
> Did the driver get a photo of the sign, the PCN evidence
doesn't show this?
> That looks to be a different white van to the one shown in the
council's photos, also the cones are missing.
>
--- End Quote ---
Driver didn't get a photo of the sign but it looks like it is
visible (and the same one) as shown in the GSV post below. I can
revisit the location to get a photo. There was nothing written
on the sign about parking in a bay, unless it's there in small
print. The council evidence does not show a clear view / writing
on the sign - surely another demonstration that this is a unjust
fine.
Many thanks
#Post#: 119371--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the
markings of the bay or space
DIR By: Gulley53
Date: May 20, 2026, 7:38 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> First a couple of questions: -
>
> 1.Are you prepared to stand your ground and take CoL to London
Tribunals ? You would have to risk the full PCN penalty of £110
>
> 2.Is the car yours and is the V5C Registration Certificate
up-to-date ? If it is hired or leased, the matter gets much more
complicated, (to the benefit of the council, naturally !!!)
>
> Here are the bay markings shown on GSV latest view dated July
2022. For me, the markings are totally inadequate even when
unworn. It appears your car was straddling two bays, but it's
almost impossible to make that out from the current photos. I am
just extrapolating from the 2022 view. The sign makes no
reference to parking in a marked-out bay, so something else to
mention.
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/22gthSbtujGigyCs8
>
> In terms of the PCN, you can submit an informal challenge as
the driver, but councils reject >95% of these knowing that most
people then cough-up to get the discount. Things are only looked
at in any degree of seriousness at the Notice to Owner stage. If
you car is a hire or lease car, they get the Notice to Owner,
not you and you have no legal role in the enforcement process
unless it is transferred. Most hire and lease companies just pay
the NtO and off-charge it, adding in an "admin" fee, naturally !
>
--- End Quote ---
Hello, thank you for your reply and the GSV which is really
helpful.
1 - I would have no issuue paying a fine when clearly in the
wrong, but this just feels very unjust. The bay markings are
non-existent, especially when compared to the GSV view from 4
years ago. I was indeed parked between bays MS5 and MS6
(extrapolating from GSV) but as the driver photos show, those
numbers and markings are completely worn now and no longer
visible. So yes, I think I would want to take this to Tribunal -
I can't see how an independent judge could rule in favour of CoL
when the bay markings are so faded. In fact, driver took a photo
of the other side of the road and the markings for DMS2 Disabled
bay are very clearly marked, just as they are in GSV. (Can post
the photo if necessary)
2 - Car is mine and V5 is up-to-date.
The small line visible in the council evidence is the start of
Bay MS6 (in GSV) where the nose the "plantmovements" van in GSV
is. As the driver photos show, there are no other bay markings
any longer visible.
Given car is mine, do I submit an informal appeal now, or wait
for NtO to come through?
Many thanks for your time
#Post#: 119389--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the
markings of the bay or space
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 21, 2026, 5:42 am
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You don't have to submit an informal challenge, but we recommend
it, not least to get an early indication of their rejection
arguments, thus giving time to prepare for the NtO and London
Tribunals.
So you would base you reps on the totally worn-out nature of the
bay markings on that side of the street. Such is the wear that
you thought the bay was one continuous bay, without
subdivisions. Include photos, and also of the other side where
they are not worn out. You can also point out that they have a
duty in Regulation 18 (1)(b) of The Local Authorities’ Traffic
Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 to
maintain the signs. Signs includes road markings.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
Post your draft here for review and also their response when you
get it.
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