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#Post#: 119346--------------------------------------------------
Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: holymole
Date: May 20, 2026, 2:05 pm
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Hello all,
First time poster here - thank you for maintaining this
wonderful community of expert volunteers! Thought this should be
an open-and-shut case, but wanted a sanity check just in case.
I have two valid parking sessions for the car (the second was
necessary because the vet was busy with another patient), from
13:11 to 13:41, and 13:52 to 14:22 made indoors in the
consultation room once I knew we aren't making it out by the end
of the grace period.
Parking ticket states time of contravention as 13:53 (which at
this time I have proof of a valid parking session), and first
observed time of contravention as 13:50 (which is still within
the 10 minute grace period for the first session). Council
evidence, not included here for brevity, includes 7 pictures
from 13:52 to 13:53. Should I expect to have to fight the
council once I submit evidence, and is submitting just the
second valid session from 13:52 to 14:22 the best and easiest
way to get the ticket dismissed?
Location here;
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Keen to
get this sorted before the NtO phase as it's a rental and I'll
lose the right to appeal once the rental car company pay up.
Thank you in advance for your help!!
Cheers,
HolyMole
PCN - Southwark Council
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Permit 1
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Permit 2
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#Post#: 119359--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 20, 2026, 5:19 pm
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As far as I can see, the 10 minute grace period covers you for
the gap, and you can submit reps on that basis.
However, it being a hire car complicates matters, because if you
submit an informal challenge, it will be rejected. London
councils reject >95% of all informal challenges, because they
know that most people then just cough-up to get the discount. So
assuming your challenge is rejected, what will the hire company
do when they get the NtO ? No doubt they'll just pay it and
off-charge it to you plus an "admin" fee. So unless you can get
the hire company to name you as the hirer on the day of the
alleged contravention, you'll still end up paying.
You need to check with the hire company what they do when
receiving NtOs, and also postal PCNs. At the moment, you have no
legal standing in the enforcement process.
#Post#: 119366--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: holymole
Date: May 20, 2026, 5:59 pm
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Thanks Incandescent; indeed it being a hire limits my options.
The hire company auto settles all invoices and tag on their own
surcharge, scummy behaviour :(
To increase the chance of them accepting my informal rep at the
first go is it easier to just show the second parking session
13:52 to 14:22 as proof of having a valid permit at the time of
contravention (13:53) stated on the PCN?
Thank you!
#Post#: 119368--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 20, 2026, 6:11 pm
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--- Quote from: holymole link ---
>
> Thanks Incandescent; indeed it being a hire limits my options.
The hire company auto settles all invoices and tag on their own
surcharge, scummy behaviour :(
>
> To increase the chance of them accepting my informal reps at
the first go is it easier to just show the second parking
session 13:52 to 14:22 as proof of having a valid permit at the
time of contravention (13:53) stated on the PCN?
>
> Thank you!
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm afraid you must accept that informal challenges are
invariably rejected. London councils ruthlessly game the system
to maximise income, so whatever you submit will invariably be
rejected. Councils know all about the hire and lease car trap
that a lot of drivers are in. Of course your points are valid
but will only be seriously considered at the Notice to Owner
stage. Yes, it's a scam, but so far no politician seems willing
to confront the councils over it.
Rough and ready calculations on PCNs served in London, and
knowing 95% are paid up, shows that well over £600 million is
being "earned" by London councils and also TfL.
Anyway, despite the above, submit your reps and make them do at
least some work for their ill-gotten gains
#Post#: 119372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: holymole
Date: May 20, 2026, 10:53 pm
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Echo the sentiment; I will post an update here once they reply
to my reps. Thanks again!
#Post#: 119380--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 21, 2026, 3:58 am
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The PCN was correctly issued after the expiry of the 10 minute
grace period.
So the key is that you bought new parking rights a minute before
the issue of the PCN (the CEO presumably wouldn't have known
that unless they'd rechecked their system).
This must be stated upfront to increase chances of a first time
cancellation.
You can also say the second session started at the point the 10
min grace from the previous session expired.
#Post#: 121867--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: holymole
Date: June 15, 2026, 11:56 am
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--- Quote ---
> We refer to the informal challenge you have made against the
issue of the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) xxx
> We have examined the facts surrounding the issue of this PCN
and taking into consideration the contents in your
> correspondence, we have decided to cancel your PCN and no
further action will be taken in this matter.
--- End Quote ---
I guess we could call that a win! Thank you all for your help
with crafting the informal reps.
#Post#: 121881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark, code 19s parked in a shared use bay with invalid
permit, Spa Road / Bermondsey
DIR By: astralite
Date: June 15, 2026, 1:35 pm
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Well done.
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