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PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: Goretechre
Date: May 19, 2026, 6:29 am
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Hi
A friend from up north arrived at my house in Haringey N15 on
thursday. Whilst still unloading his car which was full (took
5-10 minutes) and saying hello to me and my family etc, the
traffic warden must have been hiding and issued him a ticket
before we got the chance to go online and activate a permit. We
didnt see him at all whilst going in and out of the house and
therefore he didn't say anything to us.
We have records of this vehicle registratation from dozens of
times in the past and also from recent tradesmen. This is a
residential street not a park by the minute machine bay as on
the high street, is this how these people should be operating
and how should i approach the appeal?
Thanks
Paul
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 19, 2026, 6:34 am
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Post the PCN, no redactions.
It's not your PCN so why are you challenging it?
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: Goretechre
Date: May 19, 2026, 6:42 am
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I’m not my friend is, but I feel bad as he got a ticket as soon
as he parked up so I’m asking for advice
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 19, 2026, 6:45 am
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No redactions...
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: Goretechre
Date: May 19, 2026, 6:57 am
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None now
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 19, 2026, 7:10 am
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There are 8 minutes observation and nothing obvious showing a
load in the car. There are two people in one pic - one of your
friend?
If the car was left attended for 8 mins it will be hard to claim
the loading exemption unless bulky stuff was carried for some
distance.
The first thing to sort was the permit.
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: Goretechre
Date: May 19, 2026, 7:15 am
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He’s not took photos of us loading, there was 4 people there
that were witness to the unloading. My point being he hid and
typed out a PCN rather than question us
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 19, 2026, 8:17 am
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No, the points are:
Was the driver trying to obtain a permit at the time ofthe
contravention, and/or
Were they entitled to claim an exemption by virtue of unloading?
Your thread title states '..outside my home'.
The PCN gives an observation time of 8 minutes.
The contravention time was 16.23
The permit was actually obtained at ???, pl advise.
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: Goretechre
Date: May 19, 2026, 8:34 am
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My wife was in an online meeting when he arrived and i was still
5-10 minutes away, no permit could be activated so he began
unloading (his car was full of bags of shoeboxes that he was
taking inside). As soon as i arrived i helped him with a bag and
then boom there was a ticket on the window and the first time
the parking attendent had been seen. The Haringey operative was
so obviously acting in an elusive manner.
Haringey Council states this i dont know if it pertains in any
way?
3.6. Registered keeper’s liability
Under the Traffic Management Act 2004 the responsibility for any
PCN rests with the
registered keeper of the vehicle as recorded at the Driver and
Vehicle Licensing
Agency (DVLA). If the keeper was not the driver at the time of
the contravention it
remains their responsibility to pay the PCN.
3.7. Loading and unloading
Vehicles will be permitted to park in contravention of waiting
restrictions whilst
carrying out the legitimate activity of loading or unloading
(unless specifically
prevented by legislation) provided:
1. Activity, involving the vehicle, is observed by the Civil
Enforcement Officer
whilst the vehicle is parked. The observation period shall be
for at least two
minutes and a PCN shall only be issued if no activity is seen
during this period.
2. Generally, a maximum of 20 minutes will be allowed to enable
loading /
unloading to take place.
3. Exceptions will be made when the nature of the goods being
loaded/unloaded
requires more time, i.e. moving very heavy goods.
4. Due allowance will be given to allow the driver to complete
the delivery
paperwork.
5. Where a PCN is issued , a challenge or representation will be
considered if
supported by evidence showing loading and unloading that may
have also
related to heavy goods or confirming delay by the recipient of
any goods.
You cannot deliver, load or unload on zigzags (yellow or white)
, at any time e.g.
pedestrian crossings and school keep clear markings , in a bus
stop or bus stand,
during
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Re: PCN issued outside my house to a visitor still unloading
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 19, 2026, 2:00 pm
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My wife was in an online meeting when he arrived and i was still
5-10 minutes away, no permit could be activated so he began
unloading (his car was full of bags of shoeboxes that he was
taking inside).
IMO, your wife being otherwise occupied is not a statutory
defence, but goes to mitigation which an adjudicator cannot
exercise and which IMO the council would not if you use terms
such as 'The Haringey operative was so obviously acting in an
elusive manner'.
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