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#Post#: 12033--------------------------------------------------
can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: NBSCMN
Date: December 7, 2023, 5:12 am
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my friend is saying that as you can always contest these
tickets. Can you basically never pay? I would assume there would
come a point where if you repeatedly do this in one car park or
with one company, they would use all of the contraventions and
build a case against you?
#Post#: 12035--------------------------------------------------
Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: December 7, 2023, 5:46 am
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You can contest anything you want.
Doesn't mean you will win.
Millions of private tickets are issued annually. Most (rightly
or wrongly) are paid.
Many thousands of people are routinely sued. Some companies are
more aggressive than others.
If your friend puts it into practice sooner or later it will end
badly.
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Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 11, 2023, 5:13 pm
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--- Quote from: NBSCMN link ---
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> my friend is saying that as you can always contest these
tickets. Can you basically never pay? I would assume there would
come a point where if you repeatedly do this in one car park or
with one company, they would use all of the contraventions and
build a case against you?
>
--- End Quote ---
I could probably park in many places where you're not supposed
to or without paying and I could use my knowledge of the system
to get out of virtually any council PCN.
Would it ever be worth the hassle? No, not in a million years.
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Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: December 12, 2023, 4:22 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> I could probably park in many places where you're not supposed
to or without paying and I could use my knowledge of the system
to get out of virtually any council PCN.
>
> Would it ever be worth the hassle? No, not in a million years.
>
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I'd agree with this for private PCNs too. The plethora of
private parking companies operate with varying degrees of
competence - there are some that if I received a charge from
them, I'd be confident I could get it cancelled, even if I was
"bang to rights" in terms of breaching the terms and conditions.
Others do operate in a more by the book manner, and absent an
obvious defence would be much more difficult to challenge.
But even with the companies I'd be confident in successfully
challenging, I'd never deliberately acquire a Private Parking
Charge, as the hassle isn't worth it. All it takes is for the
initial notice to go missing in the post (a look through here
and PePiPoo will vouch for how often that can happen) and then
you end up dragged into going to court over what would have been
a £2 pay and display ticket.
It's also worth bearing in mind that the reason these companies
exist, and are hired by landowners, is because people mis-use
their car parks. Deliberately doing so if anything encourages
their spread.
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Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: December 12, 2023, 5:25 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> All it takes is for the initial notice to go missing in the
post (a look through here and PePiPoo will vouch for how often
that can happen) and then you end up dragged into going to court
over what would have been a £2 pay and display ticket.
>
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When the Royal Mail ran their own test a few years ago (and
these would definitely be clearly and perfectly addressed) 17
out of 15,000 were lost (that seems extraordinarily high to me).
Dreadful problems can result (though the chances of a reminder
also getting lost are down to 1/million approx).
Given so much is now on line the vast majority of post now is
actually important.
There seems to me to be a particular problem with post from the
DWP, HMRC (though most is online) and individual DVLA letters.
Often those that I receive are not properly visible in the
window envelope. The service the NHS uses is also poor in this
respect.
Government departments seem to be putting in place systems to
help. Everytine (as far as I can tell) DWP send me something
they also text.
#Post#: 12270--------------------------------------------------
Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: December 12, 2023, 9:35 am
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--- Quote from: slapdash link ---
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> The service the NHS uses is also poor in this respect.
>
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My local health service uses a system that occasionally sends
out an appointment letter after both (1) the appointment date
has passed and (2) a wagging finger letter pointing out that the
appointment has been missed has been sent.
#Post#: 12498--------------------------------------------------
Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: sparx
Date: December 15, 2023, 11:21 am
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Even if the post is not lost, the health systems get confused. A
friend had an appointment, went to it, got booked in and sat
down only to be told 45 mins later that his appointment had been
cancelled, and he should have got a letter re-arranging it.
Quite how they booked them in for their appointment when it had
been cancelled I'll have no idea.
Alas, back to the topic of the thread - I've had approx 3
private tickets. Two were before PoFA came in (so ignored), and
the latest was parking out of a stores hours which was cancelled
by the store. Although I'm very aware of most PPC's ineptitude,
I simply do not have the time or will to fight one unless I
absolutely have to, so I try to remain within the "rules".
#Post#: 12533--------------------------------------------------
Re: can you get away with never paying in a private car park?
DIR By: tonys
Date: December 16, 2023, 3:16 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
> It's also worth bearing in mind that the reason these
companies exist, and are hired by landowners, is because people
mis-use their car parks. Deliberately doing so if anything
encourages their spread.
>
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I think that's a point that's lost among some standing up for
their perceived right to park their car on anyone's property,
whenever they feel like it. Take for example a local garden
centre located close to the railway station. Their carpark was
routinely filled with cars left all day by people commuting into
thr city. Engaging PPC caused the staff a lot of grief
initially, but that settled down after a while, and it's made a
big difference to the use of their car park.
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