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[NIP Wizard] NIP 30 / 36 - Limehouse Link Tunnel E14, London
DIR By: kdot13
Date: December 6, 2023, 10:15 pm
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Hi all,
Please see below driver's first ever NIP. Was not actually
trying to speed, was just under the assumption it is a 40 road
which obviously isn't going to be an acceptable reason.
Is there any argument to challenge the speed limit if so many
people are caught out and there is no benefit to road safety?
(Seen a lot of cases online for this tunnel) so this restriction
must be setup to catch motorists and generate revenue.
Lastly, what is stopping someone from saying the letter arrived
after 14 days? A lot of the recipients' post is delivered to the
wrong address with a similar door number.
Thanks
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Metropolitan Police
Date of the offence: - November 2023
Date of the NIP: - 8 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 13 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP:
important): - Limehouse Link Tunnel nr Hertsmere Rd W/B
(Entrance) E14 (9994)
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded
delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship
to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened)
telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things
that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave
anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious
reasons - The driver was approaching the tunnel from the Canary
Wharf side where the speed limit was 40 and assumed that limit
continued as the road layout does not appear to be a 30 road.
Driver was doing 35 in the Speedo but NIP states 36. There are
signs before entering the tunnel which can be viewed on Google
but these were not observed whilst driving. Additionally, the
camera was not noticed as it is not yellow.
NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its
recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your
name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper
of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for
it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England
- England
NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course
of action should be considered:
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#Post#: 12026--------------------------------------------------
Re: [NIP Wizard] NIP 30 / 36 - Limehouse Link Tunnel E14, London
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: December 7, 2023, 1:12 am
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--- Quote from: kdot13 link ---
>
> Lastly, what is stopping someone from saying the letter
arrived after 14 days? A lot of the recipients' post is
delivered to the wrong address with a similar door number.
>
--- End Quote ---
Don't drop the soap!
#Post#: 12027--------------------------------------------------
Re: [NIP Wizard] NIP 30 / 36 - Limehouse Link Tunnel E14, London
DIR By: guest46
Date: December 7, 2023, 1:16 am
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There's no ground for challenging the limit - they're typically
before a limit is set/changed although not necessary. There's
been many convictions along there so the road is correctly
limited, signed etc etc....unless someone has messed with the
signs/streetlights recently??!!
In court you would be asked to prove delivery after 14 days -
unless you have a genuine witness who can attest to this - which
you clearly haven't - don't even think about it! £100 and 3
points or a dull course only, so unless you're on 9 points, it's
a risk doomed to fail....and jail!
#Post#: 12029--------------------------------------------------
Re: [NIP Wizard] NIP 30 / 36 - Limehouse Link Tunnel E14, London
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: December 7, 2023, 2:28 am
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--- Quote from: kdot13 link ---
>
> Lastly, what is stopping someone from saying the letter
arrived after 14 days?
>
--- End Quote ---
Hopefully you asked this purely hypothetically, but to answer
it, the risk of a prosecution for attempting to Pervert the
course of justice, which typically carries a jail term of 6-9
months(and the serious implications such a conviction brings in
other respects).
More pragmatically, without any supporting evidence it's
unlikely to be accepted anyway.
There is an obvious flaw in your thinking that because many get
caught the limit is wrong, hopefully with some thought you can
see the error. Not least the only way a road can look like a 40
limit road is if it has 40mph speed limit signs, and this
doesn't (all in the Highway Code).
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