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#Post#: 118777--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 15, 2026, 11:21 am
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Maps is out of date - it seems there were recent works?
Take pics of the extent of the raised carriageway and any
obvious crossing points.
For formal reps I would just go with parked outside your own
drive-in, which is an exemption.
#Post#: 118779--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: helpmeplease22
Date: May 15, 2026, 11:25 am
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No works that changed the driveway or pavement or crossover.
Just in google maps there is hoardings in front of the driveway.
Otherwise, Google Maps is fully up to date.
Is parked outside my driveway an exemption to the code they've
issued under ? (code 28) - I.e. I need to challenge the code 28
not the code 27 referenced in their challenge rejection.
#Post#: 118784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 15, 2026, 11:36 am
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So there is a longstanding junction table there. Just some
repainting.
I spy tactile crossing points so presumably you were well clear
of these.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/D14ZHKKJsrstzMuw7
I would wait for the NTO. If they are going after the whole
table as a crossing rather than blocking your drive-in you'll
find out then. They will probably reoffer the discount
especially as they sent a nonsense initial rejection.
#Post#: 118785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: helpmeplease22
Date: May 15, 2026, 11:48 am
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ok thank you so much. So on what basis do I challenge the NTO ?
Simply that I was parked in front of my driveway, which is why
the kerb was lowered, and not in front of a pedestrian crossing
?
#Post#: 118788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 15, 2026, 12:28 pm
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You keep coming back to your argument but without answering what
IMO are key questions:
Does the raised footway extend beyond your crossover;
Was any part of your vehicle parked OTHER THAN adjacent to your
crossover?
IMO, if it does and if you did, by more than a de minimis
degree, and if it would be accepted by an adjudicator as a
raised carriageway for the purposes of s86(b), then you have a
problem.
#Post#: 118793--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 15, 2026, 1:22 pm
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From the council pics I'd say it's about a pedestrian crossing -
there's nothing showing crossover access.
#Post#: 118794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 15, 2026, 2:09 pm
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OP, so as you do not have a crossover, your reference to
'driveway' is to your property off the highway, yes?
If so, then although the initial burden falls to the council to
demonstrate that the carriageway falls within 87(6)(1), IMO you
could not rely upon the exemption you're claiming.
A view.
#Post#: 118913--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: helpmeplease22
Date: May 16, 2026, 5:15 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> You keep coming back to your argument but without answering
what IMO are key questions:
>
> Does the raised footway extend beyond your crossover;
> Was any part of your vehicle parked OTHER THAN adjacent to
your crossover?
>
> IMO, if it does and if you did, by more than a de minimis
degree, and if it would be accepted by an adjudicator as a
raised carriageway for the purposes of s86(b), then you have a
problem.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry, not intentional, does this photo
HTML https://i.snipboard.io/9MUtC2.jpg
help ?
- I'm not aware of any raised footway at all - but the speed
hump and dropped kerb extends for a few reasons (see photo just
linked)
- I do have a crossover, between my driveway and the road
Does this photo
HTML https://i.snipboard.io/9MUtC2.jpg
help to illustrate at all ? I
don't think I'm anywhere near the pedestrian crossing
#Post#: 118934--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 17, 2026, 4:34 am
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I do have a crossover, between my driveway and the road
Thank you. Which leads on to whether any part of your car was
parked on the raised carriageway adjacent to any part of the
footway other than the limits of your crossover?
#Post#: 118960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet - PCN 28 - Parking in a special enforcement area,
yellow line in front of own driveway
DIR By: helpmeplease22
Date: May 17, 2026, 8:54 am
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No, this was not the case.
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