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#Post#: 118596--------------------------------------------------
Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: beano5892
Date: May 13, 2026, 12:02 pm
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I have received a PCN for my daughter allegedly failing to
comply with a no entry restriction.
I only opened the PCN today as it is addressed to me (I am the
owner) and I have been away. The date of the PCN is 30/04/26. Do
I have to appeal by tomorrow to fix the PCN amount to the
reduced rate or do I have a full 28 days to appeal and, if
rejected, the reduced rate remains?
My daughter was running a free hockey camp and was told to use
this car park as the school one was closed. She had never been
there before. On exiting she had to leave through the entry
because the exit was blocked off with a digger and road works.
As she had never been there she was using waze which she
initially thought told her to turn left. She saw the 3 no entry
signs but thought they related to the car park exit that was
blocked.
After driving 10/20m down road, Waze started yelling at her and
you can see her braking in the video. She immediately did a
u-turn at the give way markings on the road but the video cuts
off at 8 seconds so you can't see this. You can however see her
braking. I don't know if the council has deliberately cut the
video off at this stage. The no entry sign on the RHS is blocked
by tree cover if you look on googlemaps.
She has now received a PCN and I don't know if there are any
grounds to appeal. The 3 no entry signs are very close together
and I can see how she might have got confused, especially as
waze sometimes takes a few attempts to figure out where you
actually are once you've started moving.
4 pages of PCN
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image of no entry signs from googlemaps
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shared location from googlemaps
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I think this covers everything per the instructions for
uploading.
I hope that someone can help
Many thanks in advance
#Post#: 118631--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 13, 2026, 4:19 pm
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The normal convention (not law BTW), is that councils receiving
reps within the discount period will re-offer it when rejecting
representations.
Havering is the exception, but has made a rod for its own back,
because by not re-offering it, it is then a total no-brainer to
take them to the adjudicators at London Tribunals, because the
penalty remains the same and there are no additional costs. But
the authority must prepare a detailed evidence pack and pay the
adjudication fee.
Even if reps are received outside the discount period, many
councils re-offe the discount for the same reason, because most
people then cough-up the discount. It's important to note that
this is current practice and the PCN recipieint has no right to
a discount after the discount period expires.
#Post#: 118648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: Neil B
Date: May 13, 2026, 7:55 pm
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--- Quote from: beano5892 link ---
>
> I have received a PCN for my daughter allegedly failing to
comply with a no entry restriction.
>
> I only opened the PCN today as it is addressed to me (I am the
owner) and I have been away. The date of the PCN is 30/04/26. Do
I have to appeal by tomorrow to fix the PCN amount to the
reduced rate or do I have a full 28 days to appeal and, if
rejected, the reduced rate remains?
>
>
--- End Quote ---
The deadline to pay the discount was yesterday 13th, by law.
Same for preserving the discount officially but it's likely if
you make reps in the next day or so, Newham will still offer the
discount in rejection. (they just want your money)
No opinion on your case as I simply have no time. Others might
look.
#Post#: 122717--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: beano5892
Date: June 23, 2026, 4:54 am
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Hi
I appealed the above PCN on that the circumstances surrounding
the alleged contravention were unusual and the available
evidence does not present the full context of events. It has
been rejected. I made points about confusing signage due to
blocked exits as well as requesting full video camera footage as
it has been truncated before still images that are shown and I
asked for full untruncated video footage.
The latter point about video footage has not been addressed. The
rejection ignores the fact that the driver had to come out of
the entry which has no immediately visible signage for no entry
to the bus lane. It instead makes reference to the fact that
there is signage on entering the road but the car park is
immediately to left after entering so this signage cannot be
seen when leaving car park.
Please can I post my appeal here together with the rejection and
someone take a look? I am frustrated that this has been rejected
as I sent still photos, screen grabs of the multiple signage
etc.
Many thanks
#Post#: 122730--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: Neil B
Date: June 23, 2026, 6:27 am
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--- Quote from: beano5892 link ---
>
> Please can I post my appeal here together with the rejection
and someone take a look?
>
> Many thanks
>
--- End Quote ---
Erm yeah/ Why haven't you?
#Post#: 122750--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: beano5892
Date: June 23, 2026, 9:24 am
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This was my appeal (prob too long)
I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle and wish to make
formal representations regarding the alleged contravention (Code
51J – Failing to comply with a no entry restriction) said to
have occurred on 23 April 2026 at Temple Mills Lane E20 /
Celebration Avenue E20.
I, as the registered keeper, requests cancellation of this
Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on the basis that the circumstances
surrounding the alleged contravention were unusual and the
available evidence does not present the full context of events.
On the date in question, the driver had intended to leave the
area using the normal route from the adjacent car park. However,
that exit was unexpectedly closed due to construction works
within the car park. As a result, the driver had to perform a
U-turn within the car park and exit via the entrance. The driver
was unfamiliar with the altered layout and was therefore using
the additional assistance from navigation guidance which was
simultaneously recalculating following the diversion from the
intended exit.
The layout encountered immediately upon exiting was confusing.
There is no immediately visible “No Entry” signed to the left.
Once turning left out of the entrance there are multiple “No
Entry” signs in close proximity serving different purposes:
those signs associated with the adjacent car park and those
associated with the bus gate restriction. Two such (non-related)
signs appear within only a few metres of each other. In
addition, one of the roadside signs on the opposite side of the
carriageway appears partially obscured by foliage, reducing
visibility on approach. The positioning and concentration of
signage, particularly when approaching from an unexpected
direction due to closure of the intended exit, materially
increased the likelihood of confusion. Evidence of the proximity
of multiple restrictions and obscuration is attached (Appendix
A).
Had the intended exit route been available, the driver departing
normally through the actual exit would instead have encountered
a materially clearer arrangement consisting of a single fully
visible no-entry restriction applicable to buses and cycles
together with another sign on the opposite side (that is
partially obscured by foliage). By contrast, the altered exit
route placed several restrictions close together in a way that
did not clearly distinguish restrictions applying to the road
from those associated with the adjacent car park. Evidence of
the signage at the usual exit is attached (Appendix B)
Upon realising an error may have been made and that the route
appeared inconsistent with the navigation guidance, the driver
slowed substantially and began corrective action. The available
footage appears to show the vehicle reducing speed to a near
stop or complete halt. The driver’s intention was not to
continue through a restricted route but to correct the mistake
immediately.
The keeper also has concerns regarding the completeness of the
CCTV evidence disclosed.
The downloadable CCTV clip supplied by the authority commences
at approximately 15:18:36 BST (23424005) and ends at
approximately 15:18:43 BST (23424220). The clip appears to show
significant braking and reduction in speed before ending.
The keeper also notes that the downloadable online footage ends
(as stated above) at approximately 15:18:43, whereas additional
still images supplied by the authority are timestamped beyond
that point (including imagery at approximately 15:18:51 -
23424453). This indicates that the authority possesses records
of events occurring after the disclosed clip ends.
The footage available online therefore appears incomplete and
may omit material showing the vehicle stopping and immediately
correcting course. The keeper requests that the authority review
and disclose the complete unedited recording before determining
these representations.
The keeper is concerned that the online video available for
review may not represent the full sequence of events. The still
images provided as evidence appear to continue beyond the
timestamps shown in the online clip. If the vehicle subsequently
stopped and turned around immediately after the footage ceased,
that context is directly relevant to assessing the circumstances
and whether discretion ought to be exercised.
In light of the above, the keeper respectfully requests:
1. Disclosure and review of the complete unedited CCTV
recording, including footage before, during and after the
alleged contravention, before these representations are
determined;
2. Confirmation whether the online clip made available to the
keeper has been truncated or edited;
3. Disclosure of any additional footage, still images or records
relied upon;
4. Confirmation that all footage showing the vehicle’s actions
after 15:18:43 BST has been provided.
5. Consideration of the unusual circumstances, namely
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diversion
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different restrictions
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recognised a possible mistake
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The keeper submits that these circumstances materially
contributed to confusion and that enforcement in this case would
not reflect the purpose of the restriction, given the apparent
immediate attempt to correct the situation.
The keeper respectfully requests that the authority exercise
discretion and cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
The keeper further notes that the notice came to attention only
after returning home following an extended absence, despite the
driver remaining at the address and not opening correspondence
addressed to the registered keeper. The representations have
therefore been made promptly upon the keeper becoming aware of
the PCN. If the authority is not minded to cancel the notice,
the keeper respectfully requests that discretion be exercised to
preserve the discounted payment amount.
Yours faithfully,
Joanne Bourne
Registered Keeper
Attachments:
Appendix A – Signage layout and proximity of restrictions
(viewed from Temple Mills Ln)
Appendix B - Signage layout from within the car park (viewed
from usual exit)
Appendix C – Additional still image held by authority (15:18:51
BST)
#Post#: 122753--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: beano5892
Date: June 23, 2026, 9:30 am
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This is the Notice of Rejection
There are 3 pages : including signature so you can see that the
second page is incomplete.. obviously didn't print properly!
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#Post#: 122754--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham : 51J Failure to comply No Entry : Temple Mills Lane/
Celebration Ave : Stratford Chobham Acad Car Park exit
DIR By: beano5892
Date: June 23, 2026, 9:34 am
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Here are the apendices to my initial appeal
Appendix A – Signage layout and proximity of restrictions
(viewed from Temple Mills Ln)
Appendix B - Signage layout from within the car park (viewed
from usual exit where you can clearly see no entry signs on LHS)
Appendix C – Additional still image held by authority (15:18:51
BST)
Appendix A :
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Appendix B :
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Appendix C :
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