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#Post#: 118585--------------------------------------------------
Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to appeal
DIR By: greatparking101
Date: May 13, 2026, 11:02 am
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Hello all,
I have received a letter from Gladstones. The letter is a Letter
Before Claim for an outstanding PCN relating to a Yellow Box
Junction Contravention PCN issued by Bromley Council.
This is the first time I have become aware of the PCN due to
moving address and not actually owning the vehicle any more.
I am aware on how to deal with the TEC aspect - I have already
booked an appointment with a law firm to have a PE2 & PE3
signed. However my understanding is that these forms would then
be sent to the TEC not Gladstones.
How do I deal with the situation with Gladstones issuing the LBC
- will this automatically be put on pause once submitted to TEC
or do I need to form a seperate defence / reply to Gladstones?
LINK TO DROP BOX OF LBC BELOW;
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r3nmrd9vos4aa57xnj5w6/Screenshot-2026-05-13-at-17.00.47.png?rlkey=d8c1bf8fuwb93oii06g06n5jy&st=quh4q0cu&dl=0
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r3nmrd9vos4aa57xnj5w6/Screenshot-2026-05-13-at-17.00.47.png?rlkey=d8c1bf8fuwb93oii06g06n5jy&st=quh4q0cu&dl=0
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks
#Post#: 118588--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 13, 2026, 11:13 am
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This looks like an odd letter - the date of the contravention is
5/10/24 and the sum demanded is £205 - this is the PCN at £130,
charge certificate at £65, debt registration at TEC of £10.
I take it you've had no PCN, charge certificate or order for
recovery? What is the status of the V5C logbook concerning the
address at the time?
If a bailiff warrant is raised that adds £75, and a bailiff
visit £235.
I guess you can file an out of time declaration if indeed it is
out of time but for what reason. Is there a PCN status on
Bromley's site.
#Post#: 118589--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 13, 2026, 11:22 am
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OK so I see you moved. You could just pay it.
We usually see these after a bailiff has been instructed and
it's best to avoid it escalating.
You can still make an out of time declaration but you'd need a
good reason why you didn't get the PCN.
#Post#: 118590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: greatparking101
Date: May 13, 2026, 11:33 am
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Thanks for the response.
I moved address and sold the vehicle and did not receive any
letters from the council.
The vehicle was driven by an ex-partner at the time and did not
have authority to drive this vehicle.
Once submitted, the PE2/PE3 - this will then hopefully cause the
PCN to revert to the initial stage, allowing me the opportunity
to appeal said PCN. At that point I will provide evidence this
vehicle was taken without consent.
However in respect of my initial post; my question was how do I
deal with Gladstones Aspect - is there a formal appeal that
needs to be submitted or is the PE2/PE3 forms sufficient?
Please refrain from suggesting to simply pay PCNs - that is not
advice and also therefore defeats the entire purpose of this
forum. If everyone was to just pay their PCN as you suggest,
this forum would not have a purpose.
#Post#: 118592--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 13, 2026, 11:39 am
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I've seen this location come up before.
There's no such road as High Street Bromley South. The junction
with Elmfield Road is with "High Street".
So, if you can get the PCN back in play, you can also fight it
on the basis the contravention as stated did not occur. The
footage may also show no evidence of a contravention (but can't
see that without the PCN number and vehicle registration).
See this other thread for further details.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bromley-31j-box-junction-pcn/
#Post#: 118593--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 13, 2026, 11:44 am
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Re the suggestion to pay - I believe this is to avoid the
penalty escalating rather than to throw in the towel. It would
have no bearing on your application and the money would be
refundable in the event the out of time application is accepted.
If it isn't, you then don't have to worry about bailiff costs
increasing.
#Post#: 118599--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 13, 2026, 12:12 pm
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They've got themselves into a real pickle!
If Gladstones have been instructed by Bromley council that they,
the council, have already obtained a court order, namely a
warrant of control in respect of an unpaid penalty charge, then
Galdstone's mandatory duty is to issue a Notice of Enforcement,
not a Letter before Claim and certainly not 'legal proceedings'.
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/bailiff-regulations/statutory-notices<br
/>
Their bogus LBC is dated March, so what have you done since
then?
#Post#: 118606--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: greatparking101
Date: May 13, 2026, 12:40 pm
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Yes only received this one letter - Letter Before Claim as
pictured.
I was out of the country for last month. I have just returned
and immediately made an appointment to have my PE2 and PE3
signed.
Sent an email to Gladstones confirming receipt of their letter
but that is it so far.
In regards to your link - I am surprised also, I did not think
you could mix council related matters with private proceedings
(CCJs etc).
But yes, no notice of enforcement has been received so far.
#Post#: 118609--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: Neil B
Date: May 13, 2026, 12:51 pm
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Why are you presuming this is out of time?
You've hidden the pcn number so we can't look.
#Post#: 118613--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow Box Contravention - LBC from Gladstones - How to
appeal
DIR By: greatparking101
Date: May 13, 2026, 1:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
>
> Why are you presuming this is out of time?
> You've hidden the pcn number so we can't look.
>
--- End Quote ---
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