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#Post#: 119020--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: Steve from Beverley
Date: May 18, 2026, 3:48 am
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Hope the link works
Apparently to large to view, can only be downloaded
Traffic Regulation Order The East Riding of Yorkshire Council
(On Street Parking Places)(Civil Enforcement) (Consolidation)
Order 2021
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WDRtiTr-PssazIux8oy0iblJdr70wi5l/view?usp=sharing
I could split the pdf into two or three parts if that would help
Thanks
Steve
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Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 18, 2026, 5:44 am
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Thanks Steve - successfully accessed.
Will need a bit of time to work through it - there doesn't seem
to be anything in there from a first glance around how the 2
hours interacts with a permit switching on and off. But it also
seems clear you were permitted to park there by nature of your
permit while it was in force.
#Post#: 119070--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: Steve from Beverley
Date: May 18, 2026, 9:17 am
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Thanks Mr Chips
Steve
#Post#: 119082--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: Steve from Beverley
Date: May 18, 2026, 10:40 am
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I have just found this document
East Riding of Yorkshire Council
Civil Parking Enforcement Procedures
It states that for a Code 30 the observation period is 5mins
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-U5X2R2nboz8J5f7_1qBgKeggeNRlMa1/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-U5X2R2nboz8J5f7_1qBgKeggeNRlMa1/view?usp=drive_link
Steve
#Post#: 119236--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 19, 2026, 12:28 pm
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OK - now been through the TRO.
The relevant articles are 36-39 (which set out how parking
restrictions operate) and, to a lesser extent, 123-126 (which
set out how virtual permits operate).
They basically state:
- you can't park for longer than the maximum period (article 36)
- but if you have a permit you can park for any period of time
(article 39)
- unless you have a permit, you cannot park again in the same
place (or within the same CPZ) for the "no return" period
specified (articles 37 and 38).
So, not much to go on specifically in terms of how changing
permit status interacts with the maximum period of staying. It
seems the TRO wasn't drafted with your scenario in mind!
I still believe in this specific instance the grace period means
you couldn't be served a PCN when you were as you were legally
parked less than 10 minutes before it was served.
But for future use (and also relevant in this case) I wonder if
you can construct a legal argument along the following lines:
- article 38 prevents "parking again" in a parking place within
a controlled parking zone before the expiry of a specified
period (one hour in your case)
- however, there is an explicit exemption to this restriction
for permit holders.
- as such, you were permitted to commence a new period of
parking in the same place/zone at any time up to the point your
permit ceased at 12 noon.
- consequently, you are permitted to a new period of parking
commencing from the point you switch off the permit, which
allows you up to 2 hours of parking from this point in time.
Quite apart from this it doesn't seem logical for a 2 hour
period to be inclusive of a period while you had a permit. It
could lead to all sorts of anomalies or paradoxes, e.g.
- is a non permit holder who parks on Sunday allowed to be
ticketed at 8.01am on Monday on the basis they have been parked
over 2 hours and the restricted hours have commenced?
- would you still have been ticketed at 12.08pm if you hadn't
switched your permit off on the basis you had been parked for
over 2 hours without a permit at the start of the observation
period?
- if you switched the permit on and off every 10 minutes, would
you be eligible for a PCN as the grace period would never
expire?
- the sign says "Resident permit holders or 2 hours". In the
absence of an explicit statement to the contrary, "or" is
normally interpreted to be inclusive, i.e. it is not required to
satisfy one and only one of the conditions. A driver can expect
to be allowed to rely on either or both. Consequently, a driver
should expect to be able to park on the basis of being a permit
holder, and also on the basis of the allowance for 2 hours where
one is not a permit holder.
#Post#: 119257--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: Steve from Beverley
Date: May 19, 2026, 4:05 pm
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Many thanks for your comprehensive reply.
Your time taken in looking into the matter is greatly
appreciated
I shall draft a reply and post it on here
Thanks
Steve
#Post#: 119532--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: Steve from Beverley
Date: May 22, 2026, 1:28 pm
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Apologies for the delay in responding
This is my umpteenth draft >:(
I make representations on the grounds that the alleged
contravention did not occur.
There are three reasons the contravention did not occur
1) The vehicle was subject to a valid permit until 12:00:40,
when the permit was removed from the vehicle I was entitled to a
10 minute grace period.
a) The PCN was issued at 12:08, this is within the grace period
b) In the UK, a 10-minute statutory grace period applies to
council-run bays. If your ticket or paid session expires, a
traffic warden cannot legally issue a Penalty Charge Notice
(PCN) until 10 minutes after expiry
2) I was entitled to a new period of parking (2 hours), from the
moment the permit was removed from the vehicle at 12:00:40
3) Between 10:02:04 and 12:00:40 the vehicle was subject to a
valid permit, this entitled me to park for as long as I wished
Referring to the TRO
The relevant articles are 36-39 (which set out how parking
restrictions operate) and, to a lesser extent, 123-126 (which
set out how virtual permits operate).
They basically state:
- you can't park for longer than the maximum period (article 36)
- but if you have a permit you can park for any period of time
(article 39)
- unless you have a permit, you cannot park again in the same
place (or within the same CPZ) for the "no return" period
specified (articles 37 and 38).
- article 38 prevents "parking again" in a parking place within
a controlled parking zone before the expiry of a specified
period (one hour in my case)
- however, there is an explicit exemption to this restriction
for permit holders.
- consequently, I was permitted to a new period of parking
commencing from the point I switched off the permit, which
allows up to 2 hours of parking from this point in time.
I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation of
this PCN
#Post#: 119536--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 22, 2026, 2:05 pm
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I don't think anything you write will persuade East Riding to
give way. So are you prepared to risk the full PCN penalty at
the Traffic Penalty Tribunal ?
#Post#: 119554--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: sx4
Date: May 23, 2026, 4:10 am
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Are you trying to game the system by having just one permit for
two vehicles instead of paying for two permits, and by swapping
the permit over every two hours the CEO may have sussed out that
is what you were doing and if you miscalculated the swap over
the CEO jumped at the chance of catching you out.
#Post#: 119569--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 23, 2026, 8:03 am
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Doesn't feel like gaming the system to me. I think it's just a
short term, compliant solution for when he has to park both cars
in the controlled area.
The council have presumably designed it this way by choice, it
would be easy to prevent of they saw it as a problem. The issue
is the CEO can't (or didn't) see that there was a period of
permit parking in between the two observation points.
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