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#Post#: 118475--------------------------------------------------
East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit two
cars
DIR By: Steve from Beverley
Date: May 12, 2026, 2:02 pm
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I have a valid resident permit for the CPZ zone
I have two vehicles and alternate the resident permit between
the two vehicles, changing every two hours
VRN's EY60NBG and DG17OLC
From ERYC terms and conditions
Resident Permits can only have one vehicle covered by them at
any one time, however you can change the vehicle details any
time, and as often as you wish, by simply logging into your
MiPermit account and clicking 'Manage Digital Permits'.
On 18/03/2026 at 12:08 a Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) placed
a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on Vehicle VRN EY60NBG.
Code 30, parked for longer than permitted.
The PCN states that the vehicle was observed from 09:54 to 12:08
An Informal Challenge was submitted to the ERYC,stating that
between 10:02 and 12:00 the resident permit was transferred to
VRN EY60NBG, therfore the vehicle was not parked for longer than
permitted.
The informal challenge was rejected
The Rejection of Informal Challenge letter clearly shows this
change of vehicle
In the past similar appeals have been upheld and the penalty
dismissed, for some reason they have now decided not to allow
the appeal
My defense is that the vehicle was not parked for longer than
2hrs without a valid permit covering the vehicle
I am now waiting for the Notice to Owner letter
Any advice appreciated
Steve
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#Post#: 118499--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 12, 2026, 5:10 pm
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Their letter rejecting your informal reps basically refutes your
2 hours, by stating the car was observed before you swapped the
permit details, and was observed again after you had reverted
the permit details.So as I understand it, you applied a 2 hour
period for the parked car, but were parked for longer than 2
hours. Have I understood correctly ?
viz: -
09.54 - CEO observed car parked
10.02 - you swapped car regs on the permit making it legally
parked from that time,but car was already parked
12.00 - you swapped back the car regs, but the car remained
parked
12.08 - the CEO served a PCN.
So it seems the PCN has been served correctly.
#Post#: 118501--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 12, 2026, 5:16 pm
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I recall you on here before with a vehicle swapping issue.
The key on this one is indeed whether the unmoved vehicle did
not overstay its welcome owing to an interim permit.
I'm not sure!
#Post#: 118511--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 13, 2026, 2:33 am
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I've tried to find the TRO online but without success, you may
wish to ask the council for a copy.
In its absence, applying logic...
The sign indicates parking either with a permit, or for up to 2
hours if you do not hold a permit, is allowed.
If you parked without a permit, but subsequently covered your
vehicle with a permit within 2 hours (and left it covered by a
permit), I would not expect you to be eligible for a PCN.
If you parked with a permit, but removed the permit later, I
wouldn't expect you to be eligible for a PCN within 2 hours of
removing the permit (strictly 2 hours and 10 minutes).
It seems to me that following the council's logic, you would be
eligible for a PCN in either of those circumstances which does
not feel right or consistent with the sign.
#Post#: 118512--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 13, 2026, 2:46 am
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Separately, as your car was legally parked at 12pm (when it was
covered by a permit) I'm not sure they are allowed to issue a
PCN until more than 10 minutes after this point due to the grace
period enshrined in law. Issuing a PCN at 12.08 is too early.
#Post#: 118521--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 13, 2026, 4:39 am
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Interesting view from Mr Chips.
Really the only way to get a decision either way would be to
test the matter at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. Of course this
means putting the full PCN penalty into play.
#Post#: 118523--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 13, 2026, 4:43 am
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I can't see how the 10 minute grace argument could be beaten.
The council would have to claim that a car parked with a valid
permit at 12 noon is not legally parked which is clearly not
consistent with their own signage.
I still think even without this argument no contravention has
taken place, but I think we'd need to see the wording in the TRO
to be 100% confident. Assuming the OP wishes to continue
flipping his permit going forwards I think (s)he should request
it so they know where they stand.
#Post#: 118526--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 13, 2026, 4:54 am
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The contravention is nothing to do with the permit. It's a lower
level code 30 for overstaying the free 2 hours starting with
observation at 9:54.
#Post#: 118529--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 13, 2026, 5:15 am
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I accept that's the crux of the issue - but a PCN could not have
been served on that basis if he was parked not relying on the 2
hour period but on the basis of having a permit. The sign
allows parking on either basis. A PCN couldn't have been served
at 12pm as the vehicle was not parked in contravention at the
time as it was covered by a permit. Even if removing the permit
somehow rewrites history that he had not been parked up to that
point on the basis of having a permit, I believe the grace
period is still in place until 10 minutes after being legally
parked, i.e. after 12.10pm.
The grace period exemption is worded in law as follows:
"No penalty charge is payable for the contravention where the
vehicle has been left beyond the permitted parking period for a
period not exceeding 10 minutes."
So effectively, the council are trying to claim that at (no
later than) 11.57, the vehicle was parked in contravention of
the "parked for longer than permitted" restriction, which
inherently can't be the case if it was covered by a permit at
the time as allowed by the signage. Unless I'm missing
something?
It seems there's a flaw/weakness in the CEO monitoring equipment
which only allows them to check the permit status at the start
and end of the observation period and not the period in between.
The council might appreciate some feedback on how their
processes could be improved?
#Post#: 118537--------------------------------------------------
Re: East Riding of Yorkshire Council: CPZ: Code 30: One permit
two cars
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 13, 2026, 6:06 am
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If the challenge is on the basis that the permit supersedes the
free parking time then the grace period is not really relevant
as a new 2 hour period would start from the time the permit was
taken off the vehicle.
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