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#Post#: 118193--------------------------------------------------
Late NIP for company car 30mph in 20mph
DIR By: tramsmantles
Date: May 9, 2026, 5:14 pm
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Hey everyone,
Long time lurker and hold-over from the old Pepipoo days.
Before I start, everything is alleged.
This is in a company car, lease company is the owner and on the
V5C.
Timeline:
3 March: Alleged offence of doing 30 in a 20mph zone around half
a mile from home.
4 March: Lease company received NIP
9 March: Lease company responded nominating me
1 May: I received the NIP
The camera van was parked in a residents permit zone on a
residential street, the speedo checked and, you can fill in the
blanks...The location approximately here heading toward Bradford
Road.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZaYZp3suRMbbCrhY6
As an interesting aside, I noticed a man in a high-vis with
police style markings putting up new 20 mph repeater speed signs
just a day or two ago around the village.
I have the NIP, I need to respond within 28 days, I'd appreciate
advice on how to deal with this.
I've not posted the NIP yet but can do so using an external
service.
I last did a SAC in 2019.
Very many thanks.
#Post#: 118199--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late NIP for company car 30mph in 20mph
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: May 9, 2026, 6:33 pm
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Off the top of my head, there are 2 types of 20mph "restriction"
- a 20mph zone and a 20 mph limit.
A 20mph zone requires terminal signs at the start/finish of the
zone, and traffic calming measures (with stipulation on maximum
distances between such measures).
A 20mph limit requires terminal signs and regular repeaters.
The signage on GSV indicates that it is a 20mph zone, and
appears to have quite a few traffic calming measures (or at
least have had when the images were recorded).
If "throughout the village" (where the repeater signs were being
put up) is also a 20mph zone, rather than a 20mph limit, then
there would appear to be no requirement for repeater signs, and
presumably placing them would even be unlawful.
If the signage (including requirements for traffic calming
measures) is defective, that might constitute a defence or
defence strategy*. If the TRO is defective, then presumably
there would be no 20mph restriction in law, so no offence could
have been committed.
Were the camera van was parked is utterly irrelevant, and the
requirement to serve a NIP on the RK within the 14 days appears
to have been complied with.
Regardless of whether or not you have any defence to the
speeding charge, you must name the driver by 28th May.
For speeds of up to 10% +9mph over the limit (so 31 in a 20
limit) you should expect to be offered an SAC. Received wisdom
suggests that the s. 172 response admitting to being the driver
would need to be received within 3 months of the offence, and
the course completed within 4 months of the offence - so unless
you have a reason for delaying, it would seem prudent to do so
sooner rather than later.
You are far too far from timing out for delaying to be a
worthwhile strategy to cause a time-out.
The only other common reason for delaying is if you were trying
to get advance sight of the photo(s) on the ruse of asking for
them in order to help to identify the driver.
#Post#: 118217--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late NIP for company car 30mph in 20mph
DIR By: tramsmantles
Date: May 10, 2026, 5:35 am
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Thanks Andy.
Interesting potential defence strategy. Is it prudent to look
into the TRO? The man putting up signage felt oddly
coincidental. It's worth noting this was within the 'Zone' which
is furnished with traffic calming measures as you suggest is
appropriate for a 'zone'.
A quick search has yielded:
- TRO:
HTML https://store.traffweb.app/leeds/documents/parkmap/sched/Dated%20Citywide%20Map-Based%20Speed%20Limit%20Order%2030%201%2025.pdf
- Map of the tip of the street where the alleged office took
place:
HTML https://ibb.co/qLYSxdY4
(yellow highlight the tip of the
street, though it continues onto another map page).
- My unskilled interpretation (please rip apart) is that the TRO
refers to *speed limits* not a *zone*. New
Street is signed as a zone:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/mvpkqYCWnS8JAxuu5
- And for completeness: here's the man putting up repeaters on
an adjacent street which still appears to be in the same 'zone':
HTML https://ibb.co/gM6k7RHf
The driver will be identified today.
#Post#: 118635--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late NIP for company car 30mph in 20mph
DIR By: tramsmantles
Date: May 13, 2026, 4:49 pm
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Got my SAC invite today.
Is there a potential defense based on the faulty signage?
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