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Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 7, 2026, 12:25 pm
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?
TfL's initial response posted by you in ** above is absolutely
clear: they received reps from someone other than the person to
whom the PCNs were addressed. We wouldn't know as this hasn't
been explained.
OP, to whom were the PCNs actually addressed (i.e. is your
company the registered keeper) and were reps against each PCN
made by a person who identified themselves as being authorised
to act for the addressee(s) on the PCN?
We see a range of scenarios here including lease companies
sending their PCNs to lessees telling them to deal with matters.
#Post#: 118058--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: tedpower34
Date: May 7, 2026, 3:35 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> ?
> TfL's initial response posted by you in ** above is absolutely
clear: they received reps from someone other than the person to
whom the PCNs were addressed. We wouldn't know as this hasn't
been explained.
>
> OP, to whom were the PCNs actually addressed (i.e. is your
company the registered keeper) and were reps against each PCN
made by a person who identified themselves as being authorised
to act for the addressee(s) on the PCN?
>
> We see a range of scenarios here including lease companies
sending their PCNs to lessees telling them to deal with matters.
>
--- End Quote ---
The company is the registered keeper of the van, the PCN is made
out to "The company secretary xxcompanynamexx and old address" I
made an appeal representation in my name, xxcompanynamexx and
new address.
We then had the third party representation letter sent to both
addresses and I sent a recorded letter detailing this was not a
third party but our new address and can all correspondence be
sent to the new address as we aren't operating from the old
premises anymore.
There was no third party involved just an update of address
between the PCN being issued and the appeal being made. Despite
TFL's statement saying they received third party representation
(which we didn't ask for or approve) they did not contact us at
the new address and continued to send letters for the next 6
months to the old premises until the bailiffs got involved and
presumably checked the DVLA again and saw the updated address.
In there statement they recognise the receipt of my letter
because they say "we received third party authorisation" but my
letter did not grant or say this. I clearly stated this was not
a third party, this is a new address. I have a copy of the
letter.
I am going to proceed with the N244, I guess my main question
now is can I recover the £939.00 this is going to cost to get an
in-person hearing and can we claim for damages caused by this?
#Post#: 118068--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 7, 2026, 4:52 pm
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You'd need to talk to a lawyer, but this comes under
'maladministration', and is outside the enforcement process.
Tincombe may have something to say on this, so listen out.
#Post#: 118083--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 8, 2026, 4:02 am
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IMO, we need to see the docs concerned.
I think TfL have summed up the issue well in their letter headed
'Authorisation Request'. OP, where are your actual docs i.e. the
initial reps and the Third Party Authorisation which they say
they received on 7 July from the addressee on the PCN.
I think we need to see the actual docs and not your summaries
because IMO these go to the heart of the matter.
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Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: May 8, 2026, 4:19 am
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--- Quote from: tedpower34 link ---
>
>
> I am going to proceed with the N244, I guess my main question
now is can I recover the £939.00 this is going to cost to get an
in-person hearing and can we claim for damages caused by this?
>
--- End Quote ---
As I pointed out in my above post, you would need to ask the
Traffic Enforcement Centre whether or not they are allowing 'in
person' hearings. I personally would not suggest going that
route.
Despite many requests on a N244 for the court to grant an order
for return of the court fee, I have only ever seen one case
where costs were granted. That led to the local authority
appealing the order (they won the appeal).
Please do take advice before completing N244 Applications. I did
send a PM to you yesterday.
Bailiff Advice Online
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Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 8, 2026, 4:24 am
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Escalating a complaint to TFL outside of the process could also
be an option.
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Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: May 8, 2026, 4:31 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> Escalating a complaint to TFL outside of the process could
also be an option.
>
--- End Quote ---
And that is exactly what I would be suggesting.
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Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: Neil B
Date: May 8, 2026, 9:42 am
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CP8759 seemed to believe that he could get such costs
covered/reclaimed.
I recall from about a year+ ago.
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Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 8, 2026, 9:50 am
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I promptly wrote back to TFL stating this was not an application
for 3rd party representation and explaining that we have moved
premises since the PCN were issued and can all correspondence go
to the new address. I have proof of postage / tracking and a
copy of this letter.
OP, where is this letter pl.
#Post#: 118127--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 8, 2026, 10:22 am
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--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
>
> CP8759 seemed to believe that he could get such costs
covered/reclaimed.
>
> I recall from about a year+ ago.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's possible in principle but it would have to be a very
clear-cut case where the enforcement authority is demonstrably
at fault.
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