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       Dacorum PCN Code 80 – 4 minute observation, no evidence of
       overstay
   DIR By: downbutnotout
       Date: April 30, 2026, 1:42 pm
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       Hi all,
       I would appreciate some advice on a council-issued PCN and
       representations letter that just appeared!
       Location: Langley Hill short stay car park (Dacorum Borough
       Council)
       PCN contravention: Code 80 – Parked for longer than permitted
       Observation time: 11:49 to 11:53 (4 minutes)
       Max stay: 4 hours (free, but requires vehicle registration
       input)
       The PCN was issued by a Civil Enforcement Officer as there is no
       ANPR at this location. The observation period is only 4 minutes
       and no evidence has been provided of arrival time or total
       duration of stay. The council rejected my initial challenge and
       stated that the PCN was issued because the vehicle was parked
       “beyond the permitted duration without a valid parking session.”
       The contravention issued is Code 80 (overstaying), which is
       time-based. However, there is no evidence I exceeded the 4-hour
       maximum stay, the officer only observed the vehicle for 4
       minutes, and the council appears to be relying on “no valid
       session” rather than actual duration
       From the council’s own contravention list, failure to obtain a
       session appears to fall under a different contravention (e.g.
       Code 73 or 83), list linked here:
  HTML https://www.dacorum.gov.uk/docs/default-source/parking/guide-on-how-to-park-legally.pdf?sfvrsn=62800c9e_2
       At the location the main sign says registration must be entered
       for free parking, however the machine wording states failure to
       obtain a session “may result” in a PCN
       Therefore I have a few questions:
       1. Is Code 80 valid in this situation without evidence of
       duration?
       2. Can the council rely on “no valid session” to justify an
       overstaying contravention?
       3. Is this worth taking to tribunal?
       I am currently at the Notice to Owner stage and preparing formal
       representations.
       I have attached images of both the machine and signage at the
       location below:
  HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/qP65feO_xl.jpg
  HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/wstDYwl_xl.jpg
       Thanks in advance.
       #Post#: 117464--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dacorum PCN Code 80 – 4 minute observation, no evidence of
       overstay
   DIR By: catnip
       Date: April 30, 2026, 2:22 pm
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       There are no images showing, please follow the details in this
       post which explains how to link external files:
  HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
       #Post#: 117466--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dacorum PCN Code 80 – 4 minute observation, no evidence of
       overstay
   DIR By: downbutnotout
       Date: April 30, 2026, 2:32 pm
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       --- Quote from: catnip link ---
       >
       > There are no images showing, please follow the details in this
       post which explains how to link external files:
  HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Rectified, my apologies.
       #Post#: 117467--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Dacorum PCN Code 80 – 4 minute observation, no evidence of
       overstay
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: April 30, 2026, 2:49 pm
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       Please to post up all sides of all documents from and to the
       council. Only redact yr name and address from docs - leave all
       else in.
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