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#Post#: 117074--------------------------------------------------
City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit Bay -
Query about permitted times
DIR By: bagold
Date: April 27, 2026, 3:37 am
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Two days ago on Saturday at 18:33 I received a Penalty Charge
Notice from City of Westminster. I was delivering donated food
from friends and family to the women's hostel. I saw the
Controlled Zone sign saying Monday-Friday 8:30am-6:30pm so I
became relaxed about parking my car there. But I didn't realise
there was another sign about Parking Permit Monday-Saturday
8:30am-10pm.
Should I just pay up or do I have any grounds to appeal? I
honestly just saw the Controlled Zone sign and assumed parking
restrictions don't apply on a Saturday.
The amount is £80 if I pay up quickly or else double.
I would appreciate any advice. Thank you.
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#Post#: 117078--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 27, 2026, 3:49 am
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Controlled Parking Zones refer to waiting restrictions on yellow
lines and have nothing to do with parking places, which(subject
to seeing their photos) is where you were.
Parking places are controlled by upright traffic signs whose
times may or may not align with CPZ hours.
In your case there might be an exemption to the parking
restriction in respect of delivering, so pl post this detail
e.g. what type of loads, for how long were you parked, how many
trips to/from your delivery destination were made, how far was
this from where you parked, had you previous experience of doing
this etc?
#Post#: 117086--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: bagold
Date: April 27, 2026, 4:19 am
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Thank you for your reply.
I was parked for about half an hour. Like I said once I saw
Monday-Friday, I was a bit more relaxed about delivering rather
than rushing to unload the car as soon as possible. I got the
ticket while I was signing the donation form at the shelter.
Again if I thought I was parked illegally I could have made the
shelter rush this instead of waiting my turn to see the
receptionist. If required I can certainly get proof from the
shelter that I was making food donation.
So given this information should I appeal or just pay up?
#Post#: 117112--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 27, 2026, 8:47 am
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If you give us some idea of the load and how many journeys
to/from the car which you made then we could perhaps draft
something for you. But you need to be more specific if you're to
melt the heart of a council.
#Post#: 117114--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: bagold
Date: April 27, 2026, 8:54 am
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Really appreciate this.
About ten families, every six weeks, cook and make food packages
for the women's shelter (
HTML https://www.maryleboneproject.org.uk/).<br
/>Each family makes about 40 packages of food to be distributed
one per person at the shelter. So this results in about 15 or
bags full of food containers. This week I also had a couple of
bags of clothing.
I am 63 years old and can only carry two bags at a time. So I
guess about eight trips between the car and hostel.
#Post#: 117219--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 28, 2026, 7:25 am
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What's your role in this and for how long and at what frequency
do you deliver food.
Scoping this, perhaps...
As the authority knows, there is a **** hostel located in ****
which houses ****. To supplement the hostel's work, *** families
prepare food and **** on a regular basis and given that my
driving skills exceed those of my cooking, I'm designated to
deliver these loads which I do regularly, almost invariably on a
Saturday. Until the day in question I have parked on a yellow
line without issue. On the day of the PCN I was actually
delivering clothes donated by *** but could not find a
convenient space other than in the parking place which I
mistakenly thought was subject to the same restrictions as the
yellow lines.
I now know differently.
I probably made ** trips to/from the hostel and presumably it
was during one of these that the CEO issued the PCN. It has been
mentioned to me that delivering might actually be allowed in
these spaces but I wouldn't know. If it is, I have attached
evidence of my activity and hope this is sufficient for you to
cancel the PCN. Alternatively, if delivering is not allowed I
would still ask you to exercise discretion.
........
The degree to which the above represents the actual facts, I
don't know. But I suggest you challenge in a similar
comprehensive way to give yourself the best chance.
#Post#: 117227--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: bagold
Date: April 28, 2026, 8:48 am
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Thanks you. These are pretty much the facts. I'll fill in the
blanks. I'll let you know how it goes.
#Post#: 117253--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 28, 2026, 12:49 pm
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Perhaps post a draft here first?
#Post#: 117288--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: bagold
Date: April 29, 2026, 2:15 am
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This is my draft. Just to be clear once we had finished
delivering my wife signed the donation form. The charity will be
sending a copy of the donation form.
"As the authority knows, there is a Marylebone Project located
in 1-5 Cosway Street which houses a women’s hostel. To
supplement the hostel's work, some families from north London
prepare approximately 400 food packages every six weeks. Given
that my driving skills exceed those of my cooking, I'm
designated to deliver these loads which I do regularly, almost
invariably on a Saturday. Until the day in question, I have
parked on a yellow line without issue. On the day of the PCN I
was actually the food packages plus a few bags of clothes
donated by the women from north London but could not find a
convenient space other than in the parking place which I
mistakenly thought was subject to the same restrictions as the
yellow lines.
I now know differently.
I probably made ten trips to/from the hostel and presumably it
was during one of these that the CEO issued the PCN. It has been
mentioned to me that delivering might actually be allowed in
these spaces but I wouldn't know. If it is, I have attached
evidence of my activity (donation form signed by my wife xxxx
xxxx) and hope this is sufficient for you to cancel the PCN.
Alternatively, if delivering is not allowed I would still ask
you to exercise discretion."
#Post#: 117328--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - Code 12r Parked in Residents Permit
Bay - Query about permitted times
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 29, 2026, 6:54 am
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Loading is an exemption so you could claim it upfront or go with
your draft. My advice is usually to set out a statutory ground
to start if there is one but you have a worthy cause.
Westminster policy for code 12:
Private vehicles – if evidence of loading/unloading observed,
give 20 mins casual observation as above.
For private loading activity, the goods must be too heavy or
bulky to be carried from a legal parking place.
If no evidence of loading activity seen, instant PCN.
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