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Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Mozzer1975
Date: April 21, 2026, 12:09 pm
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So I'm back for the 1st time in an Age. Certainly before PePiPo
closed down.
So caught 42/30 Average speed Camera at the infamous Burton Road
Measham south Derbyshire. East bound 8.10 am. Never driven on
it before Semi Rural road that you would bet was at least 40
mph. not any more.. The camera location a 500 yard trap that
drops from a 50 to a 30. Its been reported that camera has the
reputation of catching more people than any other camera in
Britain. Cannot believe there not a post on it already.. I'm
happy to incriminate myself and i know that's what you will
advise as ill get a course most probably, Been good for years.
but i may have found a flaw and would like an expert opinion
on it.
On checking the collaboration certificate freely available on
the Leicester Police site the wording reads All parts and
components used in Device Serial Number: E1202385036
Yet on the NIP the Camera Serial number reads SB0510170478.
This number does not appear on the Collaboration Cert anywhere
nor does the number on the Certificate appear on the NIP?
You would of though the serial number on the Cert would match
the serial number of the camera on the NIP How can you cross
reference the two otherwise and formulate a defense?
Like i say a small anomaly but one i thought to pursue and
register on here. What do you think.
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: April 21, 2026, 12:26 pm
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I think that since no calibration is legally required it won’t
amount to a defence (or even a defense).
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Mozzer1975
Date: April 21, 2026, 12:40 pm
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So what's the point in providing Collaboration Certs then?
surely they would be included in any Evidence pack to prosecute?
Its a valid point that the serial number on the NIP pertaining
to the Camera does not cross reference to any collaboration
certificate for that very camera..
#Post#: 116605--------------------------------------------------
Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: April 21, 2026, 12:54 pm
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We are here to provide advice, not to debate the advice with
you.
42 in a 30 limit is the top end of the guidelines for an SAC (as
explained in the cunningly hidden "READ THIS FIRST" sticky at
the top of this forum).
#Post#: 116607--------------------------------------------------
Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Rallyman72
Date: April 21, 2026, 12:58 pm
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Just as a point of interest, Measham is actually in North West
Leicestershire. It'd be a bit unfortunate to make a basic error
such as the wrong County when trying to formulate a defence, if
any.
I note that it is an average speed camera set up so the serial
number of the system most probably is different to any serial
number allocated to individual cameras. Is it possible that the
NIP refers to the system serial number whilst the calibration
certificates relate to the individual cameras, or even the other
way round?
Cameras have been there for at least 7 years from what I can
find.
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: roythebus
Date: April 21, 2026, 1:05 pm
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There's more than one camera to run an average speed check.
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Mozzer1975
Date: April 21, 2026, 1:09 pm
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
>
> We are here to provide advice, not to debate the advice with
you.
>
> 42 in a 30 limit is the top end of the guidelines for an SAC
(as explained in the cunningly hidden "READ THIS FIRST" sticky
at the top of this forum).
>
--- End Quote ---
Maybe the poster could elaborate on his point that collaboration
certificates are not legally required then? i know the ranges
of Course v Points. I fully read the obvious " READ THIS FIRST"
it was the same on PiPEPO that wasn't my reason of posting. it
was to get comments on the specific points on the Camera v Cert
and if the anomaly was something worth pursuing.
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Mozzer1975
Date: April 21, 2026, 1:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Rallyman72 link ---
>
> Just as a point of interest, Measham is actually in North West
Leicestershire. It'd be a bit unfortunate to make a basic error
such as the wrong County when trying to formulate a defence, if
any.
>
> I note that it is an average speed camera set up so the serial
number of the system most probably is different to any serial
number allocated to individual cameras. Is it possible that the
NIP refers to the system serial number whilst the calibration
certificates relate to the individual cameras, or even the other
way round?
>
> Cameras have been there for at least 7 years from what I can
find.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks Rally man. Good Point on the counties, i said Derbyshire
in error, The NIP is from Leicester Police. also thankyou for
the points on the numbers, the Nip Does say "CAMERA SERIAL
NUMBER" id expect that to match the relevant certificate? maybe
common sense does not apply here. Thought it was worth the ask.
Again thanks for the substantive reply.
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: Mozzer1975
Date: April 21, 2026, 1:20 pm
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--- Quote from: roythebus link ---
>
> There's more than one camera to run an average speed check.
>
--- End Quote ---
There's two i think. in a 500 yard trap. just would of though
the Collaboration Cert would pertain to the Camera Serial No on
the NIP
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Re: Burton Road Measham The Most luceratve Zapper in the game.
Camera Collaboration query
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: April 21, 2026, 1:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Mozzer1975 link ---
>
> surely they would be included in any Evidence pack to
prosecute?
>
--- End Quote ---
Probably - but you're not at that stage?
...but the certificate refers to the system as a whole and you
have a reference to a component in that system (in this instance
a particular sensor - probably displayed on the exit photo they
have)
As you note in your previous post - it would have been logical
to ensure the two references align. (But it's not a defence,
especially due to other reasons hinted at above)
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