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#Post#: 116360--------------------------------------------------
London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: April 19, 2026, 4:20 pm
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A registered keeper has received the following from LBoHounslow.
Date of notice : 07/04/2026
The PCN was delivered on Thursday : 16/04/2026
RK was abroad and opened : 17/04/2026
Long time since I have been involved with a Civil PCN, since
moving out of London area. So not up to speed on them.
Are they fairly bulletproof now, or can they still be fought?
HTML https://i.ibb.co/6VTX7Pg/PCN-Original-1.png
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#Post#: 116363--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 19, 2026, 4:29 pm
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HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mpB3obxgDkbzTrC_YbGNPC7K3vhqqKIt/view
Welcome back. I have missed the logo. ;D
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Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: April 20, 2026, 7:28 am
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Thanks Hippocrates.
I'll take a look at that later and see what I can come up with.
#Post#: 116477--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: April 20, 2026, 11:51 am
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What silly signage!!
The prohibition signs are placed just before a junction. They
are 150m AFTER the preceding junction, and 200m into a side road
off a main road.
Surely anyone in their right mind would have put the signs just
after the preceding junction so people who should not be
preceding any further actually have an alternative direction to
take.
#Post#: 116497--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 20, 2026, 1:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Mortimer link ---
>
> What silly signage!!
> The prohibition signs are placed just before a junction. They
are 150m AFTER the preceding junction, and 200m into a side road
off a main road.
> Surely anyone in their right mind would have put the signs
just after the preceding junction so people who should not be
preceding any further actually have an alternative direction to
take.
>
--- End Quote ---
But they wouldn't make any penalty money for the council if they
did. Councils have been given a Magic Money Tree and exploit it
as much as possible.
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Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: April 20, 2026, 4:49 pm
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Yeah I know. I don't miss living in the London boroughs.
Whenever I have to go that way, apart from my normal commute
into New Malden from the south of Greater London, it feels worse
every time.
Anyway, I have been going through the London Tribunal decision
linked by Hippocrates.
Do we know if there was any more to the original appeal, because
that looks like a decision that could have been a throw away
decision, made simply because Hounslow representation did not
show up.
Or is the decision really that strong?
I cannot for example find where in LLA&Tfl Act 2003 it says that
a PCN must "...explain that, if no representations are made and,
if payment of the penalty charge has not been made, before the
end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service
of the PCN, then an increased charge may be payable."
The text in bold only appears in the Act in Schedule 1, 5(2)(a)
which covers charge certificates. PART 2 4( 8 ), does not appear
to require any statements in the PCN regarding what happens if
representations are not made. It only requires in (v) that it
state that if not paid, then an increased charge may be payable,
which I think it does.
If I can find any holes I would point out that (viii) requires
that the PCN state that person on whom a notice is served may be
entitled to make representations under Paragraph 1 of Schedule 1
to this Act. The PCN does not mention any part of the Act, other
than to include the title of the Act under the heading of the
PCN. I do not think this is strong.
I am happy to suggest making representations on the basis of the
decision as published, if nothing else it delays things a bit.
Wondering if something more concrete can be included though.
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Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: April 29, 2026, 4:56 pm
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I suggested representations based on the "Eleanor Macwhinnie vs
London Borough of Hounslow" decision.
RK has received a postal reply already "Rejection of
Representation".
The representations submitted simply stated that as a Hounslow
PCN had been adjudicated to be non compliant with LLA&TfL Act
2003 it should be cancelled, with an excerpt from the Macwhinnie
decision on why the PCN was not compliant, and that RK's PCN had
the same text.
Their rejection : because the Macwhinnie decision referred to
involved a larger box junction they believe on the evidence that
the signage satisfy the description in the regulations and
therefore that the contravention occurred. After carefully
considering your Representation... blah blah blah!!!
I.e. they have messed up quite comprehensively I think, seeing
as this alleged contravention does not involve a box junction at
all!!
What are the next steps with this?
Anyway : Here for your entertainment...
HTML https://i.ibb.co/C3k66M4p/Rejection-of-reps-1.png
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Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: May 1, 2026, 11:24 am
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Did you know that if you make representations into the
Hounslow.gov.uk website, you cannot go back later and look at
want was submitted.
Luckily there was an acknowledgement email buried in the spam
folder, that contains the submitted text:
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I can confirm that we have received your challenge, which will
be attached onto the case.
Please find below the information you submitted online.
Submission Date/Time: 23/04/2026 22:46:19
[color=#555555]Reference:
Submission Reference: [/color]
Title:
Forename:
Surname:
Organisation:
House Number:
Address 1:
Address 2:
Address 3:
Address 4:
Postcode:
Tel. No:
Email:
[color=#555555]Notes:[/color]
[color=#555555][color=#555555][size=2][font=helvetica, arial,
verdana, sans-serif]Your Notes: I challenge PCN xxxxxxxxxx due
to procedural impropriety on the part of London Borough of
Hounslow (LBoH) enforcement authorities. LBoH PCNs have been
adjudicated to be non-compliant with "London Local Authorities &
Transport for London Act 2003". One such adjudication decision
has been attached for your reference "Eleanor Macwhinnie v
London Borough of Hounslow (2250221909, 21 July 2025).pdf". The
decision explains that a PCN; "...must explain that, if no
representations are made and, ifpayment of the penalty charge
has not been made, before the end of the period of 28 days
beginning with the date of service of the PCN, then an increased
charge may be payable. The PCN in this case states that the
increased charge may be payable and a Charge Certificate served
if the PCN has not been paid before the end of the period of 28
days beginning with the date of service of the notice. It is,
therefore, not clear to the motorist that there will be no
liability to an increased charge and a Charge Certificate if
representations against the PCN are made within the 28 day
period. This is a material defect as it may influence or even
determine the motorist's decision as to whether to challenge the
PCN. I find that the PCN in this case is not
valid."[/font][/size][/color][/color]
Uploaded Evidence:
[color=#555555][color=#555555][size=2][font=helvetica, arial,
verdana, sans-serif]Eleanor Macwhinnie v London Borough of
Hounslow (2250221909, 21 July 2025).docx
[/font][/size][/color][/color]
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Now I will try and concoct an appeal to enter into the
londontribunals.gov.uk website.
#Post#: 117537--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 1, 2026, 1:45 pm
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I don't follow.
As the PCN states:
In order to count as in time, representations must be received
by the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of
service of this notice. Any received after this period may be
disregarded. Representations must include your name, postal
address and signature (if making them online or via email your
name must appear in the message header or main body text and
will be taken to be your signature). If we receive your
representations we will place the PCN on hold until a response
is sent. If we accept them the PCN will be cancelled. If we
reject them, you will have 28 days to either pay or appeal
against our decision
then 'It is, therefore, not clear to the motorist that there
will be no liability to an increased charge and a Charge
Certificate if representations against the PCN are made within
the 28 day period' cannot be correct: there is therefore no end
date for payment as this is contingent on when they respond, an
unknown.
Whether the PCN states and expresses the meaning of the
mandatory requirements is something that Hippocrates is good at
evaluating, but IMO it cannot help an appeal to state something
which on the face of it is incorrect.
#Post#: 117576--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Borough of Hounslow
DIR By: Mortimer
Date: May 2, 2026, 5:53 am
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I’m not following either, and unsure whether I should advise
pursuing this further or tell the RK to take the discount.
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