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#Post#: 117174--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: April 28, 2026, 1:13 am
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--- Quote from: JohnWick link ---
>
> Great, thank you. Confirming I've submitted representations on
both PCNs. I'll report back here once I have an update.
>
--- End Quote ---
Good. Have you confirmatioon that yout reps have been received?
#Post#: 117275--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: JohnWick
Date: April 28, 2026, 4:58 pm
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Yes I received an email confirmation back on both PCNs. So now
just a waiting game.
#Post#: 125427--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: JohnWick
Date: July 22, 2026, 3:57 pm
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Hi there
I received a reply from LBHF today. They sent me a notice of
rejection of representation on PCN HZ9516212A, though have
apparently cancelled PCN HZ95184031.
Note I've only received this correspondence which mentions that
PCN HZ95184031 is cancelled, but I haven't received any direct
correspondence on that PCN confirming this.
Here's the full text:
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What do you recommend as a next step? My initial thought is
they've not really addressed any of the issues I raised, however
what do you think my chance of winning would be if I were to go
to appeal with the adjudicator?
If I were to pay in the next 14 days it would cost £80, then
£160 from days 15-28, then £240 if paid day 29 onwards.
Thank you in advance for any help.
#Post#: 125438--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 22, 2026, 6:02 pm
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Your maximum possibe exposure is £160, because the £240 only
applies when they serve a Chaarge Certificate.If you follow the
process and lose at London Tribunals, the full PCN penalty is
payable, and there are no additional costs whatsoever.
So far, H & F has never allowed a case for this location to get
to London Tribunals, always DNCing when a case is registered.
They know this is a disastrous scheme, and they would be panned
at adjudication.
They state there is no time limit on responding to
representations against a PCN, but there is their public duty in
as a public body give penal powers to act fairly and promptly.
London Tribunals consider a delay of over 3 months to be unfair.
I also notice their response does not respond to your point
about the mandatory requirement for consultation on new Traffic
Orders (Regulation 6 of LATOR 1996)
They claim the signage for the location is adequate and clear
and complies with all regulations; what tosh !!
If it were me, I'd now be registering an appeal at London
Tribunals. Yes, you have to risk an extra £80, but that is all.
#Post#: 127958--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: JohnWick
Date: August 16, 2026, 3:39 pm
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Thanks for the advice and apologies for the slow reply.
I'm going to go ahead and challenge at the London Tribunals.
Any advice for me on what I should actually be putting down as
my argument here? I don't want to just repeat what I've said in
my appeal if that's not appropriate.
Thank you!
#Post#: 128171--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 18, 2026, 1:20 pm
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--- Quote from: JohnWick link ---
>
> Thanks for the advice and apologies for the slow reply.
> I'm going to go ahead and challenge at the London Tribunals.
> Any advice for me on what I should actually be putting down as
my argument here? I don't want to just repeat what I've said in
my appeal if that's not appropriate.
> Thank you!
>
--- End Quote ---
First you must register your appeal with LT. Opt for a personal
hearing (= by telephone or video - never ever go for a decision
on papers). You can write something like I rely on my original
representations - full submission to follow.
This will give you a couple of months to draft and fine-tune a
good appeal.
Meantime re-read some of the links and threads I posted earlier.
Remember, although nothing is guaranteed, we know of no case
involving this location where H&F have allowed it to reach a
hearing, often folding at the very last minute.
#Post#: 128453--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: JohnWick
Date: August 21, 2026, 2:08 pm
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Thanks John, appreciate the guidance here!
Unfortunately I've made a mistake and life's got in the way, and
I'm yet to lodge my appeal. I'm outside the 28 day range (the
rejection of representation letter is dated 22nd July though I
didn't receive it for a few days after this). Can I still lodge
the appeal with London Tribunals today?
Many thanks again for your help and guidance. I can lodge the
appeal this evening if it's still worth doing.
#Post#: 128463--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor veh
DIR By: JohnWick
Date: August 21, 2026, 5:23 pm
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Okay I've lodged the appeal & have included the text below.
The documents I've included are as follows:
- Enterprise Customer Letter Showing Correct Postcode
- PCN with incorrect postcode & 30 March 2026 delivery date
- TfL FOI-0743-2526 - advance signage and TMO consultation -
this page:
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-0743-2526<br
/>
- Enterprise email showing transfer of liability
Note I realised that they'd been sending both my PCNs and the
Notice of Rejection to the incorrect postcode (should have ended
in 8NQ, instead ended in 8NP). My postcode was correct with the
hire company which I can prove.
"Request to accept appeal out of time
I respectfully request that the Adjudicator exercise their
discretion to accept this appeal two days out of time.
The vehicle was a hire vehicle and my details were provided to
the Enforcement Authority by Enterprise for the purpose of
transferring liability. Enterprise's contemporaneous records
show my postcode as ???8NQ. However, the Enforcement Authority
addressed both the PCN and subsequently the Notice of Rejection
to ???8NP. I have also since moved from that address. These
circumstances caused a delay in the Notice of Rejection reaching
me.
I have actively contested the PCN throughout and have submitted
this appeal promptly. Given that the appeal is only two days
late, and that the Notice of Rejection was addressed using an
incorrect postcode, I respectfully ask the Adjudicator to allow
this short extension so that the appeal can be determined on its
merits.
I appeal on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not
occur and that the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable
in the circumstances of the case.
1. Service of the PCN / statutory time limit
The alleged contravention occurred on 10 November 2025, but the
PCN addressed to me was not served until approximately four
months later. The vehicle was a hire vehicle. In an email dated
29 December 2025, which I have provided in evidence, Enterprise
expressly confirmed that my details had been sent to the issuing
authority for transfer of liability and reissue of the PCN.
I contend that the PCN served upon me was served outside the
applicable statutory time limit.
The Notice of Rejection does not explain the chronology relied
upon by the Authority. It merely states that the timescale of
its “response to the hire company representation was
reasonable” and compliant with the regulations. It does
not identify when the hire company's representations were
received, when the original PCN was cancelled, when the
Authority became entitled to serve a PCN upon me, or the
statutory provision under which it says service upon me
approximately four months after the contravention was permitted.
I ask the Authority to establish in its evidence the complete
statutory chronology and basis upon which the PCN was served.
2. Inadequate advance signage
The restriction was not adequately conveyed to a motorist
approaching Rivercourt Road from the A4. The critical issue is
not merely whether regulatory signs existed at the restriction,
but whether adequate warning was provided before a driver
committed to turning from the A4.
By the time the restriction signs become apparent to a driver
entering Rivercourt Road, the driver has committed to leaving
the A4 and there is no reasonable or safe opportunity to reverse
onto the A4.
The need for adequate advance warning at this particular
junction had previously been raised with H&F. In TfL's published
response to FOI-0743-2526, issued in July 2025, TfL stated that
this matter had been raised at a Borough Working Group meeting
and that H&F ‘were asked to set up a warning sign on the
A4’. I rely on this as evidence that the issue of advance
warning had specifically arisen at this location, while
recognising that the adequacy of the signage must ultimately be
assessed as it existed on the date of the alleged contravention,
10 November 2025.
I have provided the TfL response in evidence.
3. TMO 2037 and consultation with TfL
I also maintain my representation concerning the statutory
requirements applicable to TMO 2037 and its interaction with the
A4/TLRN.
TfL's published response to FOI-0743-2526 states that its
Streets Asset Operations team “did not receive any notice
or correspondence” from H&F relating to TMO 2037. The
Notice of Rejection does not substantively address this ground
of my representations.
I reserve the right to provide further evidence and submissions
following disclosure of the Enforcement Authority's evidence."
#Post#: 128686--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: JohnWick
Date: August 24, 2026, 8:55 am
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Hi there
I just received a reply from London Tribunals via email:
"Penalty Charge Notice no HZ95184031
Thank you for your correspondence dated 21/08/2026 relating to
the Penalty Charge Notices above
Unfortunately, you have not provided enough information for us
to be able to respond appropriately.
You may only appeal to the adjudicator if you have made formal
representations to the Enforcement Authority (EA) and have
received a Notice of Rejection in response.
If you receive a Notice of Rejection, you may either:
• Pay the penalty charge; or
• Make an appeal to the adjudicator within the time limit
specified in the notice.
If you have received a Notice of Rejection and wish to appeal,
you may do so through our website www.londontribunals.gov.uk or
by posting your appeal to the address at the top of this letter.
If you appeal by post, you:
(a) must state the name and address of the appellant;
(b) may specify some other address as being the address at which
the
appellant wishes documents to be sent to them in connection with
the appeal;
(c) must state the Penalty Charge Notice number(s) and the date
of the Notice of Rejection of each;
(d) must include the appellants signature.
The easiest way to provide all of this information is to include
a copy of the Notice of Rejection with your appeal.
If the Enforcement Authority (EA) has issued you with a Charge
Certificate, we are not able to register an appeal for you at
this stage, and you will either need to
• Pay the increased penalty charge; or
• Await the issue of an Order for Recovery. This may be
sent to you by the EA and will include information on how to
make a Statutory Declaration/Witness Statement.
We will not take any further action in relation to these Penalty
Charge Notices. However, PCN HZ9516212A is at appeal stage, and
you will receive separate correspondence in due course.
Further information on the appeals process can be found on our
website www.londontribunals.gov.uk
Yours sincerely
Case management team"
I'm slightly confused why they've emailed regarding PCN
HZ95184031, as that was rescinded by LBHF, and wasn't part of my
appeal. Have H&F somehow linked the two PCNs?
Thank you!
#Post#: 128702--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition
on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt R
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 24, 2026, 11:44 am
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Did you make it clear in attempting to register the appeal to
which PCN you were referring? There is no PCN number in your
text poated earlier.
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