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#Post#: 116285--------------------------------------------------
Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: Dkwame
Date: April 18, 2026, 12:39 pm
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Good afternoon FTLA,
Quick back story - I own a motorbike which I've stopped riding
the past 3/4 years, because of this I've left it parked in the
motorcycle bay outside of my flat chained without any issue.
This is a fairly busy bay which is used frequently and generally
always full. I've noticed that people have been tampering with
my bike here and there but nothing major.
Recently though I saw that someone had moved my bike outside of
the parking bay on my way to work one morning, they had slid my
chain down and moved it sideways to the bay to use the space
that my bike taking up. When I noticed this I moved the bike
back but I left it within the bay on the edge (both wheels were
within the bay).
This morning I had gotten home to see that It was moved yet
again outside of the bay and there was someone parked in the
spot I left my bike in.. (I have no proof of this) Someone had
moved my bike outside of the bay area again & I was unable to
move it back straight away. I left it and went to get some rest.
When I went to move it back inside the bay later in the
afternoon I saw that I had received a PCN for being outside of
the bay. I have never received a ticket before because it had
always been in the bay without issue but as someone has tampered
with & moved my vehicle I had been issued a ticket..
Just to add to this also, initially when I went to check my bike
this morning there was the PCN sticky pouch on my license plate
but no official letter inside. I don't know if there would have
been one issued earlier during the week as I was out of the
country for the easter period and returned midweek, correct me
if I'm wrong they usually stick the PCNs at the front of the
vehicle not of the license plate? I'd like to assume that
someone placed their PCN pouch on my license plate but I can't
be certain as my bike has been continuously tampered with.
I don't have any video or photo evidence for any of this but at
the same time I don't know if it would be of any use as it could
be seen as fabricated.
Would appreciate any advice for this case as I'm unsure of how
to fight this.
Images of the infringement:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/15zOMRvVg8dEyX5hm8wvMo9QIG98ZKFMs/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-bdjiDCeJLINTO_y3glxWLSdLo58ig8Z/view?usp=sharing
#Post#: 116286--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: April 18, 2026, 12:57 pm
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For meaningful advice, please to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here both sides of the unredacted PCN,
any Council photos/video.
and a GSV link to the location.
Only redact yr name & address from documents - leave all else in
including Reg.Mark & PCN number.
Are you the registered keeper -- If leased or hired, please give
details.
Until we have more details we are very much in the dark.
You say you have not used the M/c for some years - is it
taxed/sorned and insured?
Are yr name & address on the V5 correct in every particular?
#Post#: 116288--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: Dkwame
Date: April 18, 2026, 1:17 pm
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Apologies! First time doing this.
Details are as follows:
PCN:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fa2Xh2cFvszUWO_6nFBBN-qMSvljN10b/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pUnMD-xrqMvnh1RT0xEGet_v4HrGoGhv/view?usp=drive_link
GSV link:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/sPFudhrJRRNoGxdi8
I am the registered keeper yes.
The vehicle has no insurance and has been SORN for the past 3
years.
My name & address on the V5 is correct yes.
Thanks.
#Post#: 116358--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: lexy
Date: April 19, 2026, 4:02 pm
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If it’s SORN and uninsured then it really shouldn’t be parked on
the road. Even if you’re not using it and not moving it. That
can get you much worse than a PCN.
#Post#: 116365--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 19, 2026, 4:41 pm
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Back in the old Pepipoo days, I remember a case on similar
lines, and as I understand it, in order to legally be SORN, it
must only be be off the carriageway. However where this is
formalised in the statute, I'm not sure and memory fades.
#Post#: 116367--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: Dkwame
Date: April 19, 2026, 5:18 pm
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Understood - it was only meant to be temporary until I scrapped
the bike but has been a non prioritised task on my to-do-list.
As for this situation is there anything I can do to fight my
case?
#Post#: 116369--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 19, 2026, 5:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Dkwame link ---
>
> Understood - it was only meant to be temporary until I
scrapped the bike but has been a non prioritised task on my
to-do-list.
>
> As for this situation is there anything I can do to fight my
case?
>
--- End Quote ---
You can, and should, submit representations based on what you've
told us, but even if the council give way and cancel, it is
likely your bike will be moved again, and there's nothing to
stop them serving PCN after PCN. So really you need to sort the
matter out, so that you cease to use this bike parking space,
which clearly is not intended for long term 24 hour a day
parking.
#Post#: 116377--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: Dkwame
Date: April 19, 2026, 7:30 pm
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Yes I agree and will look to sort this matter out ASAP. I will
challenge the ticket and post updates, thanks.
#Post#: 116388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 20, 2026, 4:23 am
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'...I've left it parked in the motorcycle bay outside of my flat
chained without any issue.'
What 'bay'? The two photos don't show any traffic sign
designating an area as a parking place and, even if there was,
what's it's lawful extent?
Below is the law and where it refers to a 'resolution', this
includes a designated parking place properly signed.
4)A highway authority may by resolution, or in the case of the
Secretary of State by such notice as appears to him to be
appropriate, authorise, from a date specified in the resolution
or notice, the parking of vehicles[F7—
(a)]on, or [F8on or over a road or part of a road] which is a
highway other than a carriageway[F9; or
(b)on or over a footpath or any part of a footpath];
and notwithstanding the provisions of this section or of any
other enactment or any rule of law, it shall be lawful from the
specified date for any person to park a vehicle on the [F10road
or footpath], or on the part thereof, as the case may be, to
which the said resolution or notice relates and is for the time
being in force.
IMO, you seem to be assuming something which has yet to be
established.
Clearer and wider photos pl.
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Re: Unusual PCN Case (Advice needed)
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: April 20, 2026, 5:09 am
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Here, I presume?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/EgCESgqVuv5eabRP9
As Tincombe says, I see no signs or markings indicating a M/c
bay? Hoever, as you say and GSV confirms motor cycles have
parked here for years without enforcement, this gives rise to
the defence of 'legitimate expectation'. BUT this can only be
used once, as PCNs make you aware that enforcement is now
happening.
Once you have put bike away somewhere safe, write a draft
challenge as to why you think the PCNs should be cancelled, and
post the draft here for comment before submitting to Southwark.
You should also be contacting Southwark for details of any other
outstanding PCNs against your Reg.Mark.
I notice that in GSV (taken in 2022) there is a sign from London
Parking Solutions (APCOA). Is it still there? If so, can you get
a close-up? What is the relationship between Southwark and
APCOA?
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