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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: grandprix77
Date: April 17, 2026, 2:04 pm
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Hi, thanks for that but doesnt the reason for issue 'no
stopping' constitute the period of parking or do they have to
actually specify the time you parked?
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: jfollows
Date: April 17, 2026, 2:31 pm
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No.
Not for transferring the liability from the unknown driver to
the registered keeper, in which they have to follow the law as
quoted.
They won’t agree with you, probably completely ignoring the
point, but they’re wrong.
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: grandprix77
Date: April 17, 2026, 4:49 pm
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Thankyou for that, that is a really interesting point. Haven’t I
fatally undermined that point though by including the words “my
stopping” in the appeal when it should have been “my car
stopping”. Can’t they argue I have admitted being the driver?
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: grandprix77
Date: April 22, 2026, 11:31 am
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An update on my appeal to IAS over my PCN from UKCPS at Leeds
station. Following the advice of some of the posts here and
especially one post which provided a template for me, i have
today received an email form IAS to say that "due to further
information UKCPS will no longer be pursuing the matter and the
PCN has been cancelled". Many thanks to those who provided
assistance to me.
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: jfollows
Date: April 22, 2026, 11:36 am
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Well done, good result, thanks for telling us. Good to know for
advising other similar cases.
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: Clarkey71
Date: May 5, 2026, 4:05 pm
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[member=8868]grandprix77[/member] would it be possible for you
to share your appeal template at all please or anyone who has
had a similar issue? I am in exactly the same position having
received a PCN form UKCPS at Leeds Station - it was received 15
days after the alleged offence and the initial NtK also has only
a a single timestamp and doesnt show a period of time Any
information would be gratefully received.
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: grandprix77
Date: May 7, 2026, 4:15 am
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Hi, i went on google AI and told it my problem and it basically
told me what to write. ill include my appeal letter here.
However, i also found a template addressing the legality of the
claim that UKCPS were allowed to act as agents for the railway
and asking for written authorisation from national rail to act
as agents for them. ive tried to find it but i cant seem to find
my way back and since i uploaded the appeal letter via IAS
portal i dont have a copy. i did get lots of photos to prove the
points i made such aspoor signage and national rail branding
etc. im sure if you look you will find it too. Hope this helps.
Since it is at the same station you may have joy. Good luck.
To: UKCPS Appeals Department
PCN Reference:
Vehicle Registration:
Date of Incident:
Site: Leeds City Station (Aire Street, LS1 4DY)
I am writing to formally appeal the above-mentioned Parking
Charge Notice (PCN) in my capacity as the Registered Keeper. I
deny any liability to your company based on the following
methodical grounds. Please refer to the attached photographic
evidence for each point.
1. Mandatory Consideration Period (IPC Code Section 13.1)
Your own photographic evidence confirms the vehicle was
stationary for only 40 seconds. According to Section 13.1 of the
IPC Code of Practice, motorists must be allowed a "sufficient
Consideration Period" to identify signage, read the terms, and
decide whether to be bound by them. A 40-second window is the
absolute minimum time required for a driver to safely identify a
sign, change glasses to read the text, and understand the
restrictive "No Stopping" terms. As the vehicle departed
immediately once the terms were understood, the driver rejected
the "offer" of a contract. Therefore, no contract was formed.
The fact that a passenger entered the vehicle during this time
does not create a 'parking event' or signify acceptance of a
contract that the driver was still in the process of reading. As
the vehicle departed immediately after the terms were
understood, no contract was formed, and the charge should be
cancelled."
2. Physical Impossibility & Driver Workload
The layout of this site makes it impossible to safely read your
terms while in motion:
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primary signage is positioned at a 90-degree angle to the
driver’s line of sight on the uphill approach. The text is
illegible until the vehicle is already parallel to the sign.
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approach requires navigating a mini-roundabout immediately
followed by a pedestrian crossing [Attached Photo D]. A driver’s
due care and attention must remain on these hazards for public
safety. Stopping is a necessary safety measure to comply with
the IPC requirement that terms be "clearly brought to the
attention of the driver."
I draw your attention to UKCPS v Mr X (Bradford, 2014) regarding
inadequate signage. In this instance, the driver stopped for
only 40 seconds to identify and read a sign that was not legible
from a moving vehicle
3. Lack of Keeper Liability (Non-Relevant Land & Railway
Byelaws)
This site at Leeds City Station is governed by Railway Byelaws
(specifically Byelaw 14) and is therefore "non-relevant land" as
defined by Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012
(PoFA).
•
Notice to Keeper. Because the land is subject to statutory
control, you have no lawful authority to transfer liability from
the driver to the Registered Keeper.
•
the daily presence of police/emergency vehicles and
station-specific branding confirms this is an active railway
estate. As the Keeper, I am under no legal obligation to
identify the driver, and you have no cause of action against me.
4. Safe Manoeuvring & "De Minimis"
The stop was a dynamic driving event necessitated by safe
manoeuvring (reversing after the intended drop-off entrance was
mistaken for a taxi rank due to the volume of taxis situated
within the drop-off point). A 40-second stop for the purpose of
safe positioning and identifying signage is de minimis (too
trivial for the law to concern itself with) and does not
constitute a "parking event" or a breach of contract.
Summary
It is understood that the driver intended to pick up a passenger
from the designated station pick-up point but mistook the
entrance for a taxi rank due to the high volume of taxis
situated within. Upon overshooting the entrance, the driver
stopped for approximately 40 seconds, to safely reverse and,
crucially, to identify the restrictive "red" signage. This
required the driver to change their glasses to read and
understand the terms. While the driver was in this mandatory
Consideration Period, the passenger—having spotted the
vehicle—approached and entered.
The driver departed immediately upon understanding the "No
Stopping" terms, thereby rejecting the contract. This charge is
predatory and fails to account for the mandatory consideration
period or the physical limitations of the site. I trust you will
cancel this notice immediately. Should you reject this appeal, I
require the mandatory Independent Appeals Service (IAS)
reference number and a full explanation of how you claim "PoFA"
authority over land subject to Railway Byelaws.
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: Dave65
Date: May 7, 2026, 4:29 am
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Clarkey71
Best to start your own thread as each PPN can differ in
circumstances.
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Re: UKCPS leeds station
DIR By: Clarkey71
Date: May 17, 2026, 3:55 pm
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Thankyou for getting back to me - these people are hideous
scammers!
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