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#Post#: 11580--------------------------------------------------
TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction, Homerton
High Street,
DIR By: Purple26
Date: November 29, 2023, 3:40 pm
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Hi folks,
My wife recieved a ticket for the above. There was a lot of
traffic at the time and she was behind a bus obscuring her
view. By the time she relaised she was in a yellow box it was
too late.
No excuse, but ive had pcns cancelled based on invalidity of
pcns as advised by members from pepipoo forum.
I have posted the orginal pcn in google drive link below. Any
help would be much appreciated.
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FN9WZmTBI7SkkveJJV1v91mt07RferNG
#Post#: 11583--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 29, 2023, 3:44 pm
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Call TFL on 0343 222 3333 and ask for the video, they will send
you a DVD in the post and put the penalty on hold while you
wait. In a box junction case, it is of critical importance that
we see the video before giving any advice.
#Post#: 12144--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: Purple26
Date: December 9, 2023, 5:04 pm
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Thanks cp8759. I have uploaded the video footgae to my google
drive. Our car is visible from 2.20 onwards.
#Post#: 12147--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 9, 2023, 6:10 pm
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Hm, I have to say it looks like the contravention is made out,
sorry to have to say it. You followed the bus closely into the
box with no hesitation at all, and with a bus in front of you
this was rather misguided because your view of traffic in front
of it is thus blocked off. THe bus driver stops to let a bus
out of a side road, but then stops for quite some time when he
could move forward.
I think you're bang-to-rights, but see what the others say;
there may be errors in the PCN but I'm not up-to-speed on this
aspect.
#Post#: 12384--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 13, 2023, 5:16 pm
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Do you have any mitigation available, and do you have any
mitigating evidence? If so there is a strategy of last resort
described here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/l-b-waltham-forest-50r-performing-a-prohibited-turn/msg7581/#msg7581.
The other thing with TFL PCNs is that if you make a
representation within the discount period, they mess up the
response as the letter won't specify whether they're reoffered
the discount for 14 days from the date of the rejection, or the
date of service of the rejection, so you can appeal on that as
well.
#Post#: 12456--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: Purple26
Date: December 14, 2023, 4:03 pm
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No mitigation really .Just genuine mistake so not sure what i
can even put down as grounds for appeal? Also if i appeal and it
gets rejected will i still have opportunity to pay at
discounted rate. I called tfl on 1.12.23 to request dvd on
21.12.23.
#Post#: 12460--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 14, 2023, 5:35 pm
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An "appeal" is what you present at London Tribunals. What you
present to TfL are "representations" (against the PCN). if you
submit representations to TfL within the discount period, and
they refuse, then as far as I know, they re-offer the discount.
On the other hand, all appeals at London Tribunals, and, indeed,
at all the other UK adjudicators are with the full PCN penalty
in play, with no discount option.
#Post#: 12525--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: Purple26
Date: December 15, 2023, 4:04 pm
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Yes you're right. I have submitted a representation. Lets see
what they say.
#Post#: 13910--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: Purple26
Date: January 17, 2024, 4:55 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Do you have any mitigation available, and do you have any
mitigating evidence? If so there is a strategy of last resort
described here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/l-b-waltham-forest-50r-performing-a-prohibited-turn/msg7581/#msg7581.
>
> The other thing with TFL PCNs is that if you make a
representation within the discount period, they mess up the
response as the letter won't specify whether they're reoffered
the discount for 14 days from the date of the rejection, or the
date of service of the rejection, so you can appeal on that as
well.
>
--- End Quote ---
They have sent a notice of rejection ( see google drive link
in 1st post)They dont specify where the 14 day period starts
from in page 2 paragraph 5. Im not sure if this is what you
were referring to cp8759?
#Post#: 14036--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, code 31- entering and stopping in a box junction,
Homerton High Street,
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: January 19, 2024, 5:44 pm
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Yes the rejection is ambiguous, so you have to decide if you
want to appeal based on that. It's worth waiting till Monday
evening to see if it goes up before midnight, if it does then
your case is quite strong (but not certain).
There's been a couple of decisions on this before, see Nayeem
Haque v Transport for London (2220767288, 15 November 2022)
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1KavlK0nNvWS2eI9ICkqjBQRg9-L-2mHc<br
/>and Mike Welch v Transport for London (2230428700, 18 November
2023)
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1ijJW4O3zHz-LOkVRi4QHmdf983n1yyJ8.
If on Tuesday the penalty is still £80 you could appeal anyway
but it would be more of a gamble.
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