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#Post#: 115417--------------------------------------------------
Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a suspended
bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 9, 2026, 4:55 am
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Hi everyone, seeking advice on whether to proceed to Formal
Representations or pay the £80 discount following a rejected
informal challenge. I was caught in Berkeley Square by what
appears to be a cone trap suspension. I have already appealed
and been rejected so I am seeking advice on what to do next.
Case Details:
PCN Number: WE66227915
Contravention: 21u (Parked in a suspended bay)
Location: Berkeley Square
Sighted: 22:17 / Issued: 22:17
The Grounds for Appeal:
Legitimate Expectation / Misleading Demarcation: The suspension
area was physically cordoned off with traffic cones, but the
specific bay I parked in was left entirely open and accessible.
The cones clearly started immediately after my vehicle. I argued
that this created a visual safe zone that a reasonable motorist
would rely on, especially as the physical demarcation
contradicted the distant signage.
Ambiguous Asset Identification: I do not know if this can be a
defense but the notice refers to Lamp Column 19, but the column
itself is labeled with a vertical 1 over a 9. At night, this was
not intuitively identifiable as 19 and is arguably non-standard
labeling. (Note: I did not mention this specific point in the
informal challenge).
The Rejection:
Westminster has rejected the challenge. Crucially, they admitted
to the absence of cones in their letter (Whilst I appreciate you
believed parking was permitted due to no cones being present...)
but claimed the sign is the final authority (the sign is also
not quite near the parking of my car which you can see in the
photos). They failed to address the point regarding observation
time or the specific location of the vehicle relative to the
coned-off zone.
Evidence Links:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nMN9sri4szlc39EhXVb2aTr3Ohy55LHM?usp=drive_link
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/pZe2kIS
I feel the Council has failed in its Duty to Consider by
providing a boilerplate response to the cone issue. Does the
Legitimate Expectation argument hold weight at Tribunal, or
should I take the 50% hit now?
#Post#: 115429--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 9, 2026, 7:42 am
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What is the vehicle VRM.
#Post#: 115430--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 9, 2026, 7:43 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> What is the vehicle VRM.
>
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Hi, it is AJ56 UGD
#Post#: 115433--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 9, 2026, 7:50 am
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Here are council pics bar a couple of close-ups of windscreen.
No suspension sign or anything putting you in a suspended bay.
I would be inclined to go on with this - they need to satisfy an
adjudicator and this won't do it in my view.
But post their rejection in full. Your Google link doesn't work.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/SXmp35hC/w6.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/BHwMnLDQ/w5.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/9XpRQPt/w4.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/zHTVyM28/w3.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/JWBR9gBz/w2.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/4nHswHrC/w1.jpg
#Post#: 115434--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 9, 2026, 7:52 am
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[quote author=stamfordman link=topic=10464.msg115433#msg115433
date=1775739056]
Here are council pics bar a couple of close-ups of windscreen.
No suspension sign or anything putting you in a suspended bay.
I would be inclined to go on with this - they need to satisfy an
adjudicator and this won't do it in my view.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/SXmp35hC/w6.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/BHwMnLDQ/w5.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/9XpRQPt/w4.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/zHTVyM28/w3.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/JWBR9gBz/w2.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/4nHswHrC/w1.jpg
I also find it unusual to cone of some of the suspended bays,
and have the open bays furthest away from the sign.
#Post#: 115439--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 9, 2026, 8:12 am
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please let me know if this works
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/pZe2kIS
#Post#: 115440--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 9, 2026, 8:16 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> What is the vehicle VRM.
>
--- End Quote ---
here is the images from my end
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/pZe2kIS
#Post#: 115543--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 10, 2026, 10:31 am
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I would still greatly appreciate any further opinions now that I
have fixed the images link!
#Post#: 115951--------------------------------------------------
Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a suspended
bay or space
DIR By: Cc24
Date: April 15, 2026, 6:23 am
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Hi everyone, this is a repost as I previously uploaded the
images and they had not worked. I am seeking advice on whether
to proceed to Formal Representations or pay the £80 discount
following a rejected informal challenge. I was caught in
Berkeley Square by what appears to be a cone trap suspension. I
have already appealed and been rejected so I am seeking advice
on what to do next.
Case Details:
PCN Number: WE66227915
Contravention: 21u (Parked in a suspended bay)
Location: Berkeley Square
Sighted: 22:17 / Issued: 22:17
The Grounds for Appeal:
Legitimate Expectation / Misleading Demarcation: The suspension
area was physically cordoned off with traffic cones, but the
specific bay I parked in was left entirely open and accessible.
The cones clearly started immediately after my vehicle. I argued
that this created a visual safe zone that a reasonable motorist
would rely on, especially as the physical demarcation
contradicted the distant signage.
Ambiguous Asset Identification: I do not know if this can be a
defense but the notice refers to Lamp Column 19, but the column
itself is labeled with a vertical 1 over a 9. At night, this was
not intuitively identifiable as 19 and is arguably non-standard
labeling. (Note: I did not mention this specific point in the
informal challenge).
The Rejection:
Westminster has rejected the challenge. Crucially, they admitted
to the absence of cones in their letter (Whilst I appreciate you
believed parking was permitted due to no cones being present...)
but claimed the sign is the final authority (the sign is also
not quite near the parking of my car which you can see in the
photos). They failed to address the point regarding observation
time or the specific location of the vehicle relative to the
coned-off zone.
Evidence Links:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/pZe2kIS
I feel the Council has failed in its Duty to Consider by
providing a boilerplate response to the cone issue. Does the
Legitimate Expectation argument hold weight at Tribunal, or
should I take the 50% hit now?
#Post#: 115953--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster - Code 21u, parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: April 15, 2026, 6:35 am
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--- Quote from: Cc24 link ---
>
> Hi everyone, this is a repost as I previously uploaded the
images and they had not worked.
> . . .
>
--- End Quote ---
The threads have been merged as forum rule is one thread per one
case.
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