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#Post#: 115284--------------------------------------------------
Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: NewBornBaby
Date: April 7, 2026, 5:52 am
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Mine is the SECOND red car (the Kia Picanto) and I've received a
PCN alleging a contravention of Failing to give way to oncoming
vehicles, which I feel is unfair since it's not clear what
they're defining as "oncoming vehicles" here and I don't believe
this rule was intended to penalise motorists in this way (how
far away does one of these vehicles need to be for example?)
Anyway, wondering whether somebody can advise a suitable grounds
for a challenge to this PCN.
PCN page 1 - [img
width=600]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/hg8LwKk_xl.JPG[/img]
PCN page 2 - [img
width=600]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/gikYWTD_xl.JPG[/img]
PCN page 3 - [img
width=600]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/QxrRc1j_xl.JPG[/img]
PCN page 4 - [img
width=600]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/llmORWC_xl.JPG[/img]
Video (NOTE: Mine is the SECOND red car - the Kia Picanto) -
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Os1swF0#cCGdnGY
Location Salter's Hill, Lambeth, here is the street view
location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/DsmCiPDZmybfvc69A
And in case relevant, as can be seen from the oncoming vehicle's
view, the speed bump is before the sign saying you have
priority:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4QiGZFVKWyaTPeLo9
Thank you
#Post#: 115289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 7, 2026, 9:08 am
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Please screenshot the payment/representations page as the dates
will be wrong. We have a case on this issue tomorrow at the
Tribunal.
#Post#: 115290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: NewBornBaby
Date: April 7, 2026, 9:23 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Please screenshot the payment/representations page as the
dates will be wrong. We have a case on this issue tomorrow at
the Tribunal.
>
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/MzlKPYi_xl.png
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/PyOkpDr_xl.png
#Post#: 115292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: Ex CPS here
Date: April 7, 2026, 10:10 am
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You are really trying to get this PCN cancelled before it
hardens into a full £160 liability, because that forces Lambeth
to prove the case.
Your best challenge is twofold. First, "the contravention did
not occur", meaning Lambeth must satisfy the adjudicator, on the
balance of probabilities, that your Kia entered the priority
section when the oncoming vehicle was close enough that you
should have yielded. There is no fixed distance rule. The
adjudicator will care about the exact moment your car committed,
where the blue vehicle was then, and whether it had to slow,
stop or give way because of you. The speed hump point only helps
if it affected sightlines or made the priority arrangement
misleading.
Second, "the penalty exceeded the amount applicable", meaning
the council used the wrong amount or wrong legal timetable. Your
PCN shows a notice date of 27 March 2026. Lambeth says moving
traffic PCNs are £160 reduced to £80 for 14 days, and London
Tribunals says representations must be made within 28 days of
service and that this ground covers the wrong amount or a
defective PCN process. If the portal is using the contravention
date of 20 March to say the case goes to £160 on 16 April, that
is a serious point because the council cannot substitute portal
dates for the statutory dates.
On the driving evidence alone this is arguable. Add the date
defect and prospects become realistic. If the CCTV shows the
oncoming vehicle braking or waiting for your Kia, the merits
weaken fast. If the portal screenshot is incomplete or turns out
to be a display quirk, the procedural point weakens too.
Do you have the CCTV and a screenshot of the portal page? Are
you prepared to risk the discount to go to tribunal if Lambeth
rejects? Would you take a re-offered £80, or is cancellation the
only acceptable outcome?
Make formal representations now on both grounds, attach the PCN
and portal screenshot, and say the portal misstated the lawful
dates so the penalty exceeded the amount due. Do not pay if you
are challenging. If Lambeth rejects, appeal to London Tribunals
within 28 days of service of the rejection.
#Post#: 115300--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: NewBornBaby
Date: April 7, 2026, 12:47 pm
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Thank you. The CCTV link is in my original post.
Please could you explain how the dates are wrong? Is it that
the alleged contravention is 20th March and they have given 28
days from that date to pay reduced rate, but it should be 28
days after 27th March (the date the PCN was sent?)
#Post#: 115333--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: NewBornBaby
Date: April 8, 2026, 5:02 am
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Please do not repeat indentical posts - if you hover over the
name in the sidepanel of Reply #3 from @Ex CPS here you will se
they have not been on the forum since yesterday afternoon.
You could try a Personal Message or e-mail to Ex CPS here or to
@Hippocrates - tho' the latterr is very, very busy.
John U.K., Moderator
#Post#: 115344--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: NewBornBaby
Date: April 8, 2026, 7:01 am
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--- Quote from: NewBornBaby link ---
>
> Please do not repeat indentical posts - if you hover over the
name in the sidepanel of Reply #3 from [member=8642]Ex CPS
here[/member] you will se they have not been on the forum since
yesterday afternoon.
>
> You could try a Personal Message or e-mail to Ex CPS here or
to [member=24]Hippocrates[/member] - tho' the latterr is very,
very busy.
>
> John U.K., Moderator
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for the info, I didn't intend to post the same thing
multiple times so please accept my apologies for that. Just
didn't know whether I'd "replied" correctly the first time
(should I hit Quote or hit Reply?)
#Post#: 115374--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 8, 2026, 1:18 pm
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--- Quote from: NewBornBaby link ---
>
> Thank you. The CCTV link is in my original post.
>
> Please could you explain how the dates are wrong? Is it that
the alleged contravention is 20th March and they have given 28
days from that date to pay reduced rate, but it should be 28
days after 27th March (the date the PCN was sent?)
>
--- End Quote ---
Work out the 14 days from the date of the notice. The increase
can only happen on day 15. Their dates are in the future. Also,
date of contravention and date of issue are not the same.
Date of alleged contravention: 20th March.
Date of PCN: 23rd March
14 days from 23rd March = 9th April. Therefore the date on the
website is wrong.
PLEASE DO NOT SPELL THIS ALL OUT TO THEM AS IT GETS WORSE DOWN
THE PROCESS.
I would simply state the following on this point: A motorist is
entitled to know when and what to pay at the correct statutory
times. Clearly, there is a disconnect between the statutory
document (PCN) and the website.
#Post#: 120583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: NewBornBaby
Date: June 3, 2026, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [quote author=NewBornBaby link=topic=10443.msg115300#msg115300
date=1775584020]
> ...I would simply state the following on this point: A
motorist is entitled to know when and what to pay at the correct
statutory times. Clearly, there is a disconnect between the
statutory document (PCN) and the website.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
This PCN has been cancelled - thank you for helping with this.
A welcome but strange letter from Lambeth Council, saying...
"I am pleased to tell you that I have cancelled this PCN. I am
sorry for any inconvenience that it may have caused... After
carefully reviewing the CCTV evidence, we have decided to cancel
the PCN. We have not considered your representation..."
#Post#: 120588--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 37 Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles,
Salter's Hill
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 3, 2026, 9:07 am
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Very well done ! We don't see Lambeth giving way vrey often,
especially for this location.
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