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#Post#: 115094--------------------------------------------------
Waltham Forest, 31 Yellow Junction Box ticket, Lea Bridge Road
and Riggs Approach
DIR By: ybism
Date: April 2, 2026, 5:54 am
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My car is the blue BMW, PF08 GZU. Guy in front slams on the
brakes for no reason, trapping me and pink car behind in the
junction box. Clearly loads of space in front of him to move
into but for whatever reason traps us inside the junction box so
I get the ticket and probably him too.
Unfortunately was not at home last few days so just seen it this
morning when I got back, have until Tuesday to pay up or appeal.
Planned appeal was to say - he slams on the brakes, I never come
to a complete stop either so there's no offence to start with
but if there is, it's unavoidable emergency braking due to
unforeseen circumstances.
Google map location is here -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/unRnkBYG3L6HyBYd8.
Appreciate any help you kind people can provide, even if it's
just advice saying to pay up.
#Post#: 115107--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, 31 Yellow Junction Box ticket, Lea Bridge
Road and Riggs Approach
DIR By: MrChips
Date: April 2, 2026, 9:40 am
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I'm pretty sure you never stop moving until the camera zooms out
- which coincides with the white VW starting to move off.
In which case no contravention as you can't commit a stopping
offence without stopping.
You also did a big favour to the red Nissan behind you by
continuously moving so they haven't committed a contravention
either (it's only an offence so have to stop due to a stationary
vehicle).
#Post#: 115109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, 31 Yellow Junction Box ticket, Lea Bridge
Road and Riggs Approach
DIR By: mickR
Date: April 2, 2026, 10:06 am
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unfortunately unless the pink/red car driver is on FTLA or MSE I
fear he's going to get and pay a fine 😒
#Post#: 115111--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, 31 Yellow Junction Box ticket, Lea Bridge
Road and Riggs Approach
DIR By: ybism
Date: April 2, 2026, 10:17 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I'm pretty sure you never stop moving until the camera zooms
out - which coincides with the white VW starting to move off.
>
> In which case no contravention as you can't commit a stopping
offence without stopping.
>
> You also did a big favour to the red Nissan behind you by
continuously moving so they haven't committed a contravention
either (it's only an offence so have to stop due to a stationary
vehicle).
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, was pretty sure that was the case. Played it at 0.25x
speed and the wheels are constantly in motion even if it's tiny.
How would you appeal this?
AI came up with this:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge
Notice issued on 24th March, and I respectfully request that it
be cancelled on the following grounds.
Ground 1 – The contravention did not occur
Having reviewed the CCTV footage available online, I do not
believe the footage shows my vehicle stopping within the yellow
box junction at any point. Whilst my vehicle was moving slowly
due to the vehicle ahead, my wheels were in continuous motion
throughout. The offence of contravening a yellow box junction
requires the vehicle to have stopped. As this did not occur, the
PCN has been issued in error and should be cancelled.
I would draw your attention to the footage at the relevant
timestamps, which I believe demonstrate that my wheels were
moving at all times while within the box. I would respectfully
ask that this footage be reviewed carefully before any decision
is made.
Ground 2 – In the alternative, any stop was involuntary and
beyond my control
Should you take the view that my vehicle did momentarily stop, I
would submit as an alternative ground that this was entirely
involuntary and caused by the sudden and unpredictable behaviour
of the vehicle directly ahead of me.
I entered the junction when the exit was clear and it was lawful
to do so. The vehicle ahead then braked abruptly and without
warning. The CCTV footage supports this, as it shows clear open
road ahead of that vehicle at the point it slowed —
demonstrating no legitimate reason for it to have done so. I had
no opportunity to avoid the situation and at no point made a
voluntary decision to stop within the box.
The offence requires either that the driver entered without a
clear exit, or made a voluntary decision to stop. Neither
applies here. I entered lawfully, and any momentary stop was
forced upon me by the actions of another driver, which numerous
Traffic Penalty Tribunal decisions have recognised as a valid
defence.
For the avoidance of doubt, I also formally request a copy of
the full CCTV footage under a Subject Access Request should this
representation not succeed at this stage.
I trust that upon reviewing the footage in light of the above,
you will agree that this PCN should be cancelled. I look forward
to your response.
#Post#: 115112--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest, 31 Yellow Junction Box ticket, Lea Bridge
Road and Riggs Approach
DIR By: MrChips
Date: April 2, 2026, 10:28 am
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Submit representations to WF as follows (do it online and take a
screenshot when you do so).
EDIT - posted this before I saw your (or rather, AI's) attempt.
I'd go with my version as it's more concise and also the second
ground you included isn't really relevant or a valid defence and
by including it gives WF a chances to focus on that in their
rejection letter rather than the real issue at stake.
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I submit representations against this PCN on the grounds that
there was no contravention.
Having carefully reviewed the video footage you have provided,
it is clear that my vehicle never stops moving as it traverses
the box junction. It proceeds through the box junction
continuously, sometimes at a very low speed, without ever coming
to a complete stop. At the end of the video, the camera operator
zooms out which coincides with the white car in front of mine
moving off (and so there can also be no contravention from this
point either as the vehicle preventing my vehicle's immediate
exit from the box junction is not stationary).
As stopping is a necessary condition for a box junction offence
to have been committed, as is having to stop due to the presence
of stationary vehicles, it follows that no contravention has
occurred in this instance and the PCN must be cancelled.
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