DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so ...
*****************************************************
#Post#: 115023--------------------------------------------------
Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade , Scarborough
DIR By: Baggles25
Date: April 1, 2026, 8:14 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade , Scarborough,
not parked correctly within the confines of the bay or space.
Vrm is ke04ync.
Parked with two wheels on the kerb in a motorhome. There were
dotted white lines at the start and the end of the length of
road where you could park creating one long bay. I'm thinking
that the kerb is taken to be the inside of the bay as there were
no white lines to indicate the inside but just wanted advice on
whether it's worth appealing it please. The outer wheels were
within the dotted white lines. There were several motorhomes
parked in such a way and they ticketed all of them. Didn't get a
picture at the time but took a photo last time I parked there
which is the one I've inserted here.
Many thanks in advance for your help.
Where we were parked:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Jx3q3EyYBU1V7sqz9?g_st=ac
PCN inc vrm:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Py9Z9Fy
#Post#: 115026--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 1, 2026, 8:43 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Pl post your VRM then we can see the council's photos.
Also, where are the traffic signs, I can't see any in GSV. As
far as this shows there's just some white paint on the
carriageway.
#Post#: 115027--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: Mustek
Date: April 1, 2026, 8:50 am
---------------------------------------------------------
(Image from May 2025, shows a small parking restriction sign. It
prohibits motor home parking between 11pm and 7am: Streeview
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@54.2696217,-0.3949943,3a,21.8y,80.86h,85.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-PMLIoO1O6Kod16BgLmvUA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.32885428279647%26panoid%3D-PMLIoO1O6Kod16BgLmvUA%26yaw%3D80.85961615132919!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)
#Post#: 115029--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 1, 2026, 8:55 am
---------------------------------------------------------
IMO, that's a no waiting sign which has no effect because to
have force there must be a single yellow line.
I have no idea what hybrid Scarboroughism is at play here:
purported parking place markings but no sign; purported waiting
restriction signs but no markings!
#Post#: 115031--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: Baggles25
Date: April 1, 2026, 8:59 am
---------------------------------------------------------
My apologies. Vrm is ke04ync. There are no signs on any of the
lamp posts or anything along that stretch of road. The only sign
around there is one prohibiting motorhomes overnight that refers
to the stretch to the left of where we were parked. As in just
here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/CtQyJRSQv1C8jM6T7?g_st=ac
#Post#: 115056--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 1, 2026, 12:24 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
In any event, your contravention relates to a parking place, not
a waiting restriction.
IMO, you have grounds for reps: I parked on an unsigned length
of road and therefore could not breach any restrictions
purportedly related to a parking place. The PCN must be
cancelled.
If the authority disagree, they must prove the existence of
upright traffic in the vicinity of my vehicle which convey that
relevant parking place restrictions apply.
Wait for others.
They won't cancel, but at least you'll test their reasoning, or
not!
#Post#: 115143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: Baggles25
Date: April 3, 2026, 12:54 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the info. Do there need to be signs though, or, when
there is dotted bay lines, do they legally take the inside part
of the bay to be the kerb? If there were no dotted bay lines
then i think it's legal to park with two wheels on the kerb
(outside of London ) unless there is signage to say otherwise.
My apologies but could you explain what you mean by "they must
prove the existence of upright traffic in the vicinity of my
vehicle which convey that relevant parking place restrictions
apply.
Wait for others."
Thanks again.
#Post#: 117073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: Baggles25
Date: April 27, 2026, 3:31 am
---------------------------------------------------------
They cancelled it! Thanks for the info.
#Post#: 117076--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn code 24 - North Yorkshire Council, Esplanade ,
Scarborough
DIR By: tincombe
Date: April 27, 2026, 3:40 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Well done.
I doubt they'll internalise their error and correct the signage,
but you prevailed.
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 1