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       Parking in a residents Enfield - only 4 minutes observation time
   DIR By: Nick325i
       Date: March 29, 2026, 12:21 pm
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       My father in law was visiting a friends today and parked in a
       residents bay. The area was very busy due to a local church
       ceremony so his friends house was a few minutes walk away. His
       friend didnt have any visitors permits left so he walked back to
       move the car and had a penalty notice. Even if he has a visitors
       permit, surely this is not enough time for a 78 year old to get
       one given how busy the area was and how far you have to park
       away?
       Are there any grounds to appeal?
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       #Post#: 114770--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking in a residents Enfield - only 4 minutes observation
       time
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: March 29, 2026, 1:08 pm
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       There is no legal requirement for observation time before a PCN
       may be served.  Your FiL should submit reps on the basis that he
       had gone to get a visitor permit for the parking when the CEO
       served the PCN, and point out that time is always allowed to get
       a parking session paid for, or in his case a visitor permit,
       otherwise nobody could park legally.
       #Post#: 114785--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking in a residents Enfield - only 4 minutes observation
       time
   DIR By: Nick325i
       Date: March 29, 2026, 5:12 pm
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       Thank you
       #Post#: 114798--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking in a residents Enfield - only 4 minutes observation
       time
   DIR By: tincombe
       Date: March 30, 2026, 3:36 am
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       Councils are venal and cash-strapped, and as your FiL is on the
       backfoot in trying to persuade them that the time taken was
       'reasonable'.
       IMO, just saying what you've posted is unlikely to warm them to
       his cause.
       IMO, you'll need to consider specifics, for example:
       Where the friend lives vis a vis 'os no.1 Nelson Road';
       His friend did or didn't know your FiL was coming;
       What evidence is there that your FiL immediately returned to his
       car;
       If he did, did he abandon the visit or park elsewhere, possibly
       paying to do so of which he has a record?
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