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#Post#: 114562--------------------------------------------------
Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not Purchased!
DIR By: Eryobotrya
Date: March 27, 2026, 1:35 am
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HELP!!
1. The car park is attached to the Eltham branch of Sainsburys.
2. The parking tariff is refunded if you spend £10 or more in
store.
3. This wasn't a shopping trip. The driver's missus was
attending a hospital appt. at the Eltham Community Hospital.
4. She has a 'blue badge', which she believed exempted her from
normal parking charges.
5. The driver knew this was nonsense, but unfortunately didn't
engage his grey matter sufficiently to challenge her baseless
assumptions.
6. Consequently, no ticket was purchased.
7. You now have before you the result of the driver's own
stupidity and lack of engagement with his missus'
misapprehensions about her parking rights.
8. The driver is painfully aware that the PPC will just laugh at
any appeal based on this set of circumstances. He would rather
by-pass this stage altogether if legally feasible.
9. Although there must be signs all over the place, none were
seen or read. The disabled bays were by the entrance, and the
driver had no reason to seek them out.
10. The driver wonders if the invoice might be successfully
challenged by arguing, for example, that there is no contract
between him and the PPC.
11. Her misapprehensions arose from a tel/con. with Customer
Services at Bexley Council, who assured her that no charges
applied to her when using council-owned car parks.
12. It was also assumed that this car park was owned by
Greenwich Council. Unfortunately:
"No, the Eltham Sainsbury’s car park (Passey Place) is not, and
has not been, directly owned by Greenwich Council. It is owned
and operated by the Greenwich Enterprise Board (GEB), a social
enterprise and independent body, although the Council helped
establish the GEB. It is technically private land, though open
to the public."
Yes, the driver walked into this one. Any grounds for a defence?
Any point in appealing when the driver knows any appeal will be
rejected OOH?
Any help/advice greatly appreciated.
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#Post#: 114564--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 27, 2026, 3:19 am
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No not really, driver cocked up big time. Could do with seeing
the PCN, you might have a golden ticket where it's been issued
late but its unlikely. You will no doubt be told Parkingeye PCNs
are not POFA compliant (an opinion not a hard proven fact), but
that won't win any appeals.
You could just ignore it but it's not a great idea and it won't
go away. Eventually you will probably get a letter of claim and
a court case. With no appeal being lodged and such a basic
failure to adhere to the Ts and Cs I could see Parkingeye
actually taking this one to court. If you do get a letter of
claim you must engage or you could get a default CCJ which
screws up your credit rating. You cant hurry the process on
really, not appealing won't bring the court case forward.
#Post#: 114570--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 27, 2026, 3:47 am
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Be careful, please don’t spread the “fact” that a CCJ negatively
affects credit rating. It only does so if it’s recorded, which
means that if the judgement is paid & satisfied within 30 days
there is no record and credit is not affected.
See more words on the subject at
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/kellys-storage-luton-universal-parking-enforcement-ltd/msg59804/#msg59804
#Post#: 114572--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 27, 2026, 4:23 am
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--- Quote ---
> 10. The driver wonders if the invoice might be successfully
challenged by arguing, for example, that there is no contract
between him and the PPC.
--- End Quote ---
The contract exists if there’s an offer made by the signs, if
the driver was able to consider the offer and choose to accept
it, and accept the offer and enter into a contract by parking.
I’m not a lawyer so that may be a slight paraphrase, but it
seems like all these things were done.
Obviously, if the signs conveying conditions for blue badge
holders were unclear or confusing, there’s an argument to be
made that no contract was formed. However I think the blue badge
scheme itself is reasonably clear about where it applies, and
private car parks are able to set their own terms, but don’t
have to offer free parking.
#Post#: 114584--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: Eryobotrya
Date: March 27, 2026, 6:34 am
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--- Quote ---
> Could do with seeing the PCN
--- End Quote ---
Redacted copy uploaded to the hosting site already linked for
you.
#Post#: 114586--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 27, 2026, 6:46 am
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The notice appears to say “give us money” but does not seem to
meet the requirements of
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4
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>
> (2)The notice must—
>
> (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was
parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
>
> (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay
parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking
and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
>
> (c)state that a notice to driver relating to the specified
period of parking has been given and repeat the information in
that notice as required by paragraph 7(2)(b), (c) and (f);
>
> (d)if the unpaid parking charges specified in that notice to
driver as required by paragraph 7(2)(c) have been paid in part,
specify the amount that remains unpaid, as at a time which is—
>
> (i)specified in the notice to keeper, and
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> (ii)no later than the end of the day before the day on which
the notice is either sent by post or, as the case may be, handed
to or left at a current address for service for the keeper (see
sub-paragraph (4));
>
> (e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the
driver and a current address for service for the driver and
invite the keeper—
>
> (i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
>
> (ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify
the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for
service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;
>
> (f)warn the keeper that if, at the end of the period of 28
days beginning with the day after that on which the notice to
keeper is given—
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> (i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges (as specified
under paragraph (c) or (d)) has not been paid in full, and
>
> (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and
a current address for service for the driver,
>
> the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this
Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so
much of that amount as remains unpaid;
> (g)inform the keeper of any discount offered for prompt
payment and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or
complaints that are available;
>
> (h)identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment
or notification to the creditor may be made;
>
> (i)specify the date on which the notice is sent (if it is sent
by post) or given (in any other case).
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#Post#: 114587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: Eryobotrya
Date: March 27, 2026, 6:48 am
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--- Quote ---
> With no appeal being lodged ...
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Would a rejected appeal make any difference to the outcome?
They'll still want to do court, coz their chances of a win are
pretty good, right?
The driver is well past the stage of caring about any adverse
effects of a CCJ on his credit rating. His main concern is more
likely to be about any enforcement action they might take - eg
such as seizing the vehicle to pay off the debt/judgment.
#Post#: 114589--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: March 27, 2026, 7:05 am
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Don't over think this.
Make an appeal to PE based on the fact that the PCN is not PoFA
compliant - PE will reject it.
Then we can go to POPLA.
#Post#: 114630--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 27, 2026, 11:08 am
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"His main concern is more likely to be about any enforcement
action they might take - eg such as seizing the vehicle to pay
off the debt/judgment."
I don't think that ever happens, for the amount of money they
could end up owing it just isn't worth trying to enforce.
PE will reject an appeal based on non POFA compliance, and it's
highly likely POPLA will also reject it unless someone can come
up with some irrefutable wording.
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Re: Parkingeye PCN: Passey Place Car Park - Ticket Not
Purchased!
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 27, 2026, 11:13 am
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Parking Eye can not seize anything.
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