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#Post#: 114357--------------------------------------------------
Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction -
Netherlands Road
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: March 25, 2026, 9:16 am
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Asking on behalf of a family member.
Bit of context - this PCN was sent to the registered keeper, who
is elderly and is in a care home. My relative lives a couple of
doors down and helps the registered keeper's elderly wife and
daughter with errands. On the day of the incident, they went to
visit the registered keeper. The RK's wife said she was tired
afterwards, so my relative offered to drive them home and he
did.
The wife contacted my relative yesterday to say she'd received
this PCN from their journey. I don't think any violation has
occurred, but would like a more learned opinion please.
The road has width restrictions on both sides, with a bus gate
in between. There are No Entry signs on each side of the bus
gate, prohibiting non-bus traffic through it.
My relative didn't drive through the bus gate. He drove through
the width restriction. They live on a side road immediately next
to the width restriction, which means once through it, you have
to filter right to turn into the road. The pictures supplied on
the PCN supports this is what happened.
In the process of filtering right, you have to go over hashed
lines and "Bus Only" road markings intended for the opposite
direction of travel. I wouldn't say there is a bus lane leading
up to or following the bus gate. If 51J is supposed to be
failing to comply with a no entry restriction, then I can't see
a contravention here. Am I wrong?
I also can't see anywhere for the registered keeper to say he
wasn't driving and to pass it on to my relative to appeal. As
the wife is elderly, we're not convinced she'll be able to
handle the paperwork side of this or attend a tribunal.
Video of incident
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A1DfSQvMzn_sgyp9_6uKdLtDNIvnuZGP/view?usp=sharing
Google streetview
HTML https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.639823,-0.169634,114.18h,-13.83p,1z,L0d27eazD_937BA-2I3u4Q
PCN page 1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/11xDynypiSGCZMiYn50N7rEHJ_gRnXA_k/view?usp=sharing
PCN page 2
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Iw80Z_gJZPLY9TOia0xEnSGuTI1JZkB2/view?usp=sharing
PCN page 3
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dx-VjdTnocGuO9djNC1m6J1MUObXeIl-/view?usp=sharing
PCN page 4
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wrmjzD4xFuw6OHtjv4fItIjtuuwcjbef/view?usp=sharing
Many thanks for your consideration.
#Post#: 114364--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 25, 2026, 9:36 am
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I know this road well - I frequently play cricket off Chandos
Avenue round the corner.
The video shows no contravention at all and seems to have been
generated in error by the computer. Someone is meant to review
the clips shortlisted for PCN by the computer but clearly hasn't
in this case, or else was asleep while doing so.
[member=7]mrmustard[/member] may be interested as this is a
Barnet case.
In terms of procedure, there won't be anywhere to confirm who
was driving as the owner of the vehicle is responsible and the
driver is not relevant. But she can authorise another person to
submit representations on her behalf (if she provides this
authorisation in writing to the council).
This ought to be cancelled at the representations stage (and if
it isn't Mr Mustard may have the ears of someone in Barnet
council to see sense).
#Post#: 114365--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: March 25, 2026, 9:40 am
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I am interested as another client came to me with such a PCN
from 14 December 2025.
It has now been cancelled but confirmation letters are taking a
month to be issued by Barnet.
I have driven that way and veered to the middle of the road
about 50 times now. PCNs received? None!
If I email the parking process manager I can probably get this
killed off at the same time as making representations in the
name of the registered keeper, no-one else can do them.
My email is mrmustard@zoho.com
#Post#: 114367--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 25, 2026, 9:49 am
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Yes, silly PCN as the only purpose of the no entries are as a
proxy for the width restriction.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/RTcwBZCP/d8be6fff-89c3-4ddb-94c2-8c121b389f00-ezgif-com-video-to-gif-converter.gif
#Post#: 114374--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: March 25, 2026, 10:19 am
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--- Quote from: mrmustard link ---
>
> I am interested as another client came to me with such a PCN
from 14 December 2025.
>
> It has now been cancelled but confirmation letters are taking
a month to be issued by Barnet.
>
> I have driven that way and veered to the middle of the road
about 50 times now. PCNs received? None!
>
> If I email the parking process manager I can probably get this
killed off at the same time as making representations in the
name of the registered keeper, no-one else can do them.
>
> My email is mrmustard@zoho.com
>
--- End Quote ---
That would be really helpful thanks - I'll drop you an email.
I'm wondering if there may be a slight added complication in
this because the registered keeper has dementia - which is why
he's in a care home now - and doesn't recognise his wife
anymore, so I'm not sure how he is going to be able to give his
permission for someone else to make representations on his
behalf. Assuming his wife can't do it as she isn't the
registered keeper...
#Post#: 114375--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: March 25, 2026, 10:22 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I know this road well - I frequently play cricket off Chandos
Avenue round the corner.
>
> The video shows no contravention at all and seems to have been
generated in error by the computer. Someone is meant to review
the clips shortlisted for PCN by the computer but clearly hasn't
in this case, or else was asleep while doing so.
>
> [member=7]mrmustard[/member] may be interested as this is a
Barnet case.
>
> In terms of procedure, there won't be anywhere to confirm who
was driving as the owner of the vehicle is responsible and the
driver is not relevant. But she can authorise another person to
submit representations on her behalf (if she provides this
authorisation in writing to the council).
>
> This ought to be cancelled at the representations stage (and
if it isn't Mr Mustard may have the ears of someone in Barnet
council to see sense).
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your response and view. Funnily enough - or rather
more sadly in this case - they were travelling back from Chandos
Avenue visiting the registered keeper in the care home.
#Post#: 114377--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 25, 2026, 10:38 am
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Does someone have power of attorney.
#Post#: 114378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 25, 2026, 10:39 am
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--- Quote ---
> I'm wondering if there may be a slight added complication in
this because the registered keeper has dementia - which is why
he's in a care home now - and doesn't recognise his wife
anymore, so I'm not sure how he is going to be able to give his
permission for someone else to make representations on his
behalf. Assuming his wife can't do it as she isn't the
registered keeper...
--- End Quote ---
I am not sure how it may apply to this situation, but is there
any sort of power of attorney in place?
#Post#: 114381--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: March 25, 2026, 10:46 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote]I'm wondering if there may be a slight added
complication in this because the registered keeper has dementia
- which is why he's in a care home now - and doesn't recognise
his wife anymore, so I'm not sure how he is going to be able to
give his permission for someone else to make representations on
his behalf. Assuming his wife can't do it as she isn't the
registered keeper...
--- End Quote ---
I am not sure how it may apply to this situation, but is there
any sort of power of attorney in place?
[/quote]
No idea - they're neighbours of my relative and English isn't
their first language.
If there is a PoA, I would bet it isn't registered with the
DVLA.
#Post#: 114386--------------------------------------------------
Re: Barnet, 51J - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
- Netherlands Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 25, 2026, 10:52 am
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DVLA isn't an issue - only that someone has legal
responsibility.
They should put the car in another keeper's name in any case.
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