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ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: Karl31
Date: March 24, 2026, 2:20 pm
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Hello
I have received a PCN from ECP in Cardinal Park Ipswich. Is this
worth challenging please?
Let me know if you need anything further.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/JzKd1Gw7/FRONT_PCN.jpg
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/zGfFF7Q2/BACK_PCN.jpg
Many thanks.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: March 25, 2026, 2:24 am
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Give us some background?
Did the driver pay?
Any receipt or ticket etc?
The notice is not PoFA compliant so there cannot be any keeper
liability.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: Karl31
Date: March 25, 2026, 4:17 am
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The driver parked near to the McDonald's to meet a mate for some
food. The driver doesn't live locally, it’s about an hour away,
so they only head over that way every now and then. A year or so
ago, parking was free for an hour so they just assumed that was
still the case. They did end up staying a bit longer than that
anyway. Not sure if that actually makes much difference. If it’s
still the one hour free parking, then the driver is only looking
at about a 30 minute overstay, which might be easier to argue.
If it’s changed to pay and display though, it could be a bit
harder to fight. Please advise.
Driver did not pay and only received a notice to keeper.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 25, 2026, 4:53 am
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I am even less local, but there is information on the internet
that it’s 1 hour of free parking for McDonalds’ customers by
parking in specifically marked spaces and providing the car’s
registration registration on a terminal in McDonalds.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: Karl31
Date: March 26, 2026, 8:30 am
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Given what was said about it not being PoFA compliant, should I
just challenge ECP purely on no keeper liability under PoFA, and
leave it at that for now? If it’s genuinely unlikely to be
successfully challenged then of course I’d rather take the
discount than risk paying the full amount.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: Dave65
Date: March 26, 2026, 11:45 am
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With ECP it will be a long drawn out process before it got to a
court claim.
The advice normally is that they will discontinue the claim
before paying the court fee.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: March 26, 2026, 12:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Karl31 link ---
>
> Given what was said about it not being PoFA compliant, should
I just challenge ECP purely on no keeper liability under PoFA,
and leave it at that for now? If it’s genuinely unlikely to be
successfully challenged then of course I’d rather take the
discount than risk paying the full amount.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, I would do exactly that.
We can then use a more powerful appeal with POPLA.
I have been developing a ECP appeal for POPLA which I feel POPLA
will find hard to refute.
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: March 26, 2026, 12:25 pm
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--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
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> I feel POPLA will find hard to refute.
>
--- End Quote ---
They like a challenge...
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 26, 2026, 4:40 pm
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--- Quote from: Karl31 link ---
>
> Given what was said about it not being PoFA compliant, should
I just challenge ECP purely on no keeper liability under PoFA,
and leave it at that for now? If it’s genuinely unlikely to be
successfully challenged then of course I’d rather take the
discount than risk paying the full amount.
>
--- End Quote ---
There's no way they will accept it's not POFA compliant, and
it's very unlikely POPLA will either. It keeps getting trotted
out that these PCNs are not POFA compliant so the keeper can't
be held liable, it's a theory, a lay opinion, not hard fact, and
should not be framed in that way. Until we actually see a court
case which is thrown out based solely on the alleged POFA
non-compliance argument we don't know whether the argument has
legs or not. Even if a judge did reject the claim it's not
binding on other cases. What I can't get my head around is why
so many of the big companies would issue POFA non-compliant PCNs
if tweaking a few words which costs nothing would make them
compliant. So if your two options are get it cancelled on appeal
or pay the discounted amount now you really only have one
option.
If you really want to avoid paying it you probably can, doesn't
really matter what you appeal on, you're just going through the
motions. You then have months of debt collectors letters
probably followed by a court claim which you will need to engage
with and file a defence. It's likely but not guaranteed they
will drop a defended case just before they need to pay the court
fee. How much is your time worth to you?
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Re: ECP PCN – Cardinal Park Ipswich
DIR By: Karl31
Date: March 27, 2026, 8:51 am
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I’ll go ahead and submit an appeal to ECP. If (or more likely
when by the sounds of it) they reject it, I’ll come back here
and we can put together the POPLA appeal you mentioned. I work
from home most of the time, so I’ve got plenty of time to waste
arguing with parking companies instead of doing anything
productive.
Appreciate the guidance.
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