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#Post#: 114264--------------------------------------------------
Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDGE Fa
ilure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: singleminded Date: March 24, 2026, 2:11 pm
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Hi all!
So, I'm not a local, am autistic using sat nav - took me into a
restricted motor vehicle area on a housing estate in Redbridge
during prohibited hours. For context, as I know relying on sat
nav doesn't stop PCN being issued!
Initial route was Cavendish Road -blocked with a single point
restriction. Large road, did a 3 point turn safely and tried to
navigate around. There are two signs each side of the road now.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/SWeAtDDp8bfNWwGN8
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/SWeAtDDp8bfNWwGN8
Ended up in Fairview Lawn with another single point restriction
and that's where the contravention happened.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/trUZ7qCn6wyKpJd49
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/trUZ7qCn6wyKpJd49
It's on a downhill, with no clear warning at an entry T junction
of the restriction to allow alternative route, and the small
advance no through road warning sign
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4Lz8ZxrVAbM1fNoZ6is
angled, obscured
slightly by a bush and there was that decent late afternoon
glare going on. There were also more vehicles parked on the
street as well which also meant the main clear spot is whats
seen on the camera.
Not familiar with single point restrictions like this, and
wasn't confident I was understanding the timings and
instructions properly so did choose to slowly go forward as was
'stuck' with where I should go instead. With hindsight not the
best choice I do understand :)
Have dash cam footage, including audio showing that I am audibly
confused :D as I slowly navigate through the FairLawn Drive
signage with the rear view also showing the prohibited entry and
I believed I was 'stuck' in a prohibited zone and had already
made a breach so tried to navigate out. Also shows the route in
with no warnings and the attempt to reroute at the first
restriction sign at Cavendish. There's enough to show it was a
genuine mistake for a decent mitigation request and I was
driving safely etc.
None of the signs on the estate clearly indicate there are the
two restricted areas, only showing one no through on the small
warning signs, so you would reasonably end up getting funneled
to this restriction if you had entered the estate. Like here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/FKyusaK6gG5cQuHq9where
I turned right
before hitting the FairLawn T junction at the other end.
And entry from another road down from where I did (Vernon Road
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/KunVNAnZ8W1KNRhU8)
has a lovely clear
sign with the road names and the reason for the prohibited area,
which does clearly help prevent drivers from coming onto the
estate at all, and would have made it easier for the sat nav to
find a compliant reroute.
- From this site (thankyou!) I gather I can ask for mitigation
on various factors, as I'm at the initial PCN stage. But none of
these so far would stand up to appeal I think if i've understood
correctly?
The signs themselves appear compliant, lit, big, at the correct
height. And any argument about my confusion/the difficulty
managing the navigation change, or no clear advance warning
compared to other routes into that restriction etc wouldn't be
considered by an adjudicator if I've got it correct?
BUTTTTTTT I love this page and the google sheet! I might have
spotted a procedural issue with Redbridge PCN's
my PCN says....
PCN IMAGE
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/LO7tNIi[img]https://imgpile.com/p/LO7tNIi[/img]
Date of contravention: 27/2/26
Date of notice: 4/3/26
Date of service (as posted?) 6/3/26??
In the big section DO NOT IGNORE THIS NOTICE
The penalty charge of £160 is now payable and must be paid
before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date
of this notice. If it is paid before the end of the period of 14
days beginning with the date of this notice, the amount is
reduced by 50% to £80............If you fail to pay the Penalty
Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28
days beginning with the date of service of this notice an
increased charge of £240 may be payable.
Then on the back - MAKING REPRESENTATIONS.
...you may make representations before the end of the period of
28 days beginning with the day on which this notice was served.
Can I make a case here that the PCN is non compliant and not
enforceable due to the conflicting dates on the date of notice
vs date of service?
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I'll write in with the mitigation and request the discounted
rate, particularly as I think i'll be over deadline so will add
this under a reasonable adjustment/Equality Act 2010 request.
But I am very curious about the date compliance, also in case it
could help anyone else.
I've not looked into PCN's before (luckily!) but I'm a bit of a
nerd about compliance in Equality Act and Education Law, so this
has actually been quite fun going through the google sheet
appeals to understand the application of things.
So either way I wanted to thank those of you who have put this
together and work on it all. It's heaven! I just wish I could
something similar for Equality Act stuff too!
Thanks in advance!
#Post#: 114266--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDG
E Failure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: Neil B Date: March 24, 2026, 2:22 pm
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[quote author=singleminded link=topic=10347.msg114264#msg114264
date=1774379517]
Can I make a case here that the PCN is non compliant and not
enforceable due to the conflicting dates on the date of notice
vs date of service?
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[/quote]
No; the conflictiom is in the applicable legislation. The PCN is
actually corredt.
#Post#: 114269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDG
E Failure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: singleminded Date: March 24, 2026, 2:30 pm
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Ah ok :(
I thought that these were applicable. Why would it be the case
for these and not this PCN?
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eJi5biMDfCj0GM1MaPOryHxcFhtNM4IK/edit
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HLgXkoFeKSPDT1k09A_jPyaybFvP98ac/edit
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qjkKYJxAHhFvrWhpwTqGwhrUfa-pD5Sv/edit
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mq9MAnLdByhCxR5IzpKhvDT7LKlTOHUJ/view
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RJouvEIzKoxr0VLtZ6EnMSiquc3Y9QMT/edit
Is it because some are different types of PCN etc? Or are these
older and there has been a change in legislation since? That
would be good to know!
And could you help then with understanding when the deadline to
pay is? is it 28 days from the date of the notice or 28 days
from the date of service. I am confused! :D Thank you!!
#Post#: 114271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDG
E Failure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: Neil B Date: March 24, 2026, 2:35 pm
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Those are all under different legislation to yours.
The applicable legislation is written at the top of your PCN
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Re: Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDG
E Failure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: singleminded Date: March 24, 2026, 2:40 pm
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Thank you! so I would have needed to check the London Local
Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003?
The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England)
General Regulations 2007 doesnt apply here? Which is why a
discrepency in the payment dates wouldn't nullify this PCN?
I'm guessing I have to contact them to find out if the 28 day
deadline is the date of notice or the date or service then? This
is the bit thats confusing me because it says the date of
payment and representations is based on the date service? but
earlier says date of payment is based on date of notice?
[quote]
If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations
before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of
service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be
payable.[/quote]
Thank you for the help with these questions
#Post#: 114274--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDG
E Failure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: Neil B Date: March 24, 2026, 2:59 pm
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[quote author=singleminded link=topic=10347.msg114269#msg114269
date=1774380639]
And could you help then with understanding when the deadline to
pay is? is it 28 days from the date of the notice or 28 days
from the date of service. I am confused! :D Thank you!!
[/quote]
Neither.
The deadline to pay is 28 days beginning with the date of the
notice.
The deadline for reps is 28 day days beginning with the date of
service of the notice.
You haven't shown your PCN and I am not commenting on the
location and your experience there
#Post#: 114275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention vs Service dates - 52M Fairlawn Drive REDBRIDG
E Failure to comply with certain types of vehicles
By: singleminded Date: March 24, 2026, 3:02 pm
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Thank you , the PCN link is here again
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/LO7tNIi,
but I had added few links in
there for the google maps too! Thank you again!
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