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       #Post#: 11324--------------------------------------------------
       Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: peek
       Date: November 26, 2023, 11:46 am
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       I have a PCN and LOR from Cambridge CC for 'being in a bus
       lane'. While looking at street view for the umpteenth time to
       see if the signs were too high, I sent the view in the wrong
       direction and found Elm Street. That rang a bell and on looking,
       it appears in the Schedule to the Traffic Order which brought
       the Bus Gate in Emmanuel Road into existence.
       In short, the TSO says that the Bus Gate starts at a point 27
       metres North East of the Junction with Elm Street (quite how you
       establish a point 27 metres from something which is about 3
       metres wide, I don't know - but we digress). Two screen shots
       accompany this post: one looks north east along Emmanuel Road
       and shows the bus gate - two small blue discs stuck up in the
       air, when drivers are studying the speedo to check 20 mph and
       looking out for pedestrians, cyclists, and in Cambridge,
       lunatics on electric scooters - all who know they have the
       Highway Code on their side.
       Keep an eye on the RH post - it appears on the left of
       screenshot 2 which shows Elm Street. Thats never 27 Metres is
       it!
       I have appealed on this basis amongst others, but would
       appreciate views please. esp if anyone thinks the council will
       have an answer
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: November 26, 2023, 5:27 pm
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       You have only posted one screen shot.It would be far better if
       you just posted a GSV link to the location, like this:-
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3rzqQxDq9w4DvQpH8
       (this is the middle of my village, BTW)
       Having the link means we can tootle around virtually.
       Please also post the PCN, all sides so we can inspect it for
       fatal errors. Only blank out name and address.
       #Post#: 11359--------------------------------------------------
       Cambridge CC PCN for 'Being in a bus lane' Emmanuel Road. Is
       this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: peek
       Date: November 27, 2023, 5:56 am
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       Sorry More detail needed
       here is a link to the location - it should open showing a view
       to the north east along Emmanuel road Cambridge with the Bus
       Gate in full view. The junction with New Square which is shared
       with the Elm Street junction is on the very left.
       that is important because the Traffic Order for Bus Gates in
       Cambridge states that the bus gate starts 27 metres North East
       from the junction with Elm Street and extends for 12 metres. Its
       in the Schedule at the end of the Traffic Order .pdf attached
       thanks[attach=1]
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       #Post#: 11360--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: November 27, 2023, 6:41 am
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       There is no GSV link in your last post
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: November 27, 2023, 12:46 pm
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       [member=1000]peek[/member] please re-post the link as
       Incandescent has done.
       Also please post the PCN.
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: peek
       Date: November 27, 2023, 2:24 pm
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       the link is
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QuGDdPWu7BhH7iFr5
       I have tried sending files and pictures to the remote sites but
       they won't let me register saying I can't access them from my
       area
       In the attachment pdf file are my two representation letters
       (one by post and the second by web) combined.
       to follow
       in a separate pdf FTLA text is a copy of the pcn, and the appeal
       to the tribunal
       to follow
       in the third pdf is the NOR.
       I think I have covered most bases, though you may find something
       else. I hope the Tribunal does not find my note about the
       (mis-)use of 24 hr and 12 hr clock in the same document to be
       frivolous, I spent my career in marketing and advertising and
       Compliance with style guides and indeed with the law when in
       Insurance and finance were something I worked on daily. I find
       sloppiness in these aspects to be a bit annoying.
       Thanks for looking and sorry for the shaky start here
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: peek
       Date: November 27, 2023, 2:28 pm
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       second attachment
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: peek
       Date: November 27, 2023, 2:28 pm
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       third
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: November 27, 2023, 3:52 pm
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       Distances from junctions are measured from the extended kerb
       line: you draw an imaginary line from the pavement of Elm
       Street, as if it just continued without stopping, when this
       imaginary line intersects the extended kerb line of Emmanuel
       Road (i.e. the imaginary line that shows where the kerb of
       Emmanuel Road would be if there were no junction), that's where
       you start measuring from.
       Maybe you're on to something, the bus gate does appear to be
       placed in the wrong location:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/3ISnOgO.png
       The bus gate should start on the northern side of the pedestrian
       crossing:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/g8YbhxH.png
       and it should extend for 12 metres from there, along the length
       shown below:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/112Ni7q.png
       Something's gone wrong with your documents, you need to re-scan
       them as the resolution is really poor and they're all cropped. I
       suggest you do this from a computer rather than a phone,
       smartphones are great but there's a reason people use computers
       to do actual work (and you're basically being a solicitor for
       yourself, so use the right tools).
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       Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
   DIR By: peek
       Date: November 28, 2023, 3:13 am
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       Thanks
       I didn't know you could do that on google maps!
       Actually that is slightly annoying - they have the South west
       bound bus gate in the right spot, but the North East direction
       is not;
       the vehicle was travelling South West.
       I will reload the document scans - I was trying to get them down
       in size and failed. PCN is attached
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