DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so ...
*****************************************************
#Post#: 11324--------------------------------------------------
Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: peek
Date: November 26, 2023, 11:46 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I have a PCN and LOR from Cambridge CC for 'being in a bus
lane'. While looking at street view for the umpteenth time to
see if the signs were too high, I sent the view in the wrong
direction and found Elm Street. That rang a bell and on looking,
it appears in the Schedule to the Traffic Order which brought
the Bus Gate in Emmanuel Road into existence.
In short, the TSO says that the Bus Gate starts at a point 27
metres North East of the Junction with Elm Street (quite how you
establish a point 27 metres from something which is about 3
metres wide, I don't know - but we digress). Two screen shots
accompany this post: one looks north east along Emmanuel Road
and shows the bus gate - two small blue discs stuck up in the
air, when drivers are studying the speedo to check 20 mph and
looking out for pedestrians, cyclists, and in Cambridge,
lunatics on electric scooters - all who know they have the
Highway Code on their side.
Keep an eye on the RH post - it appears on the left of
screenshot 2 which shows Elm Street. Thats never 27 Metres is
it!
I have appealed on this basis amongst others, but would
appreciate views please. esp if anyone thinks the council will
have an answer
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 11341--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 26, 2023, 5:27 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
You have only posted one screen shot.It would be far better if
you just posted a GSV link to the location, like this:-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3rzqQxDq9w4DvQpH8
(this is the middle of my village, BTW)
Having the link means we can tootle around virtually.
Please also post the PCN, all sides so we can inspect it for
fatal errors. Only blank out name and address.
#Post#: 11359--------------------------------------------------
Cambridge CC PCN for 'Being in a bus lane' Emmanuel Road. Is
this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: peek
Date: November 27, 2023, 5:56 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Sorry More detail needed
here is a link to the location - it should open showing a view
to the north east along Emmanuel road Cambridge with the Bus
Gate in full view. The junction with New Square which is shared
with the Elm Street junction is on the very left.
that is important because the Traffic Order for Bus Gates in
Cambridge states that the bus gate starts 27 metres North East
from the junction with Elm Street and extends for 12 metres. Its
in the Schedule at the end of the Traffic Order .pdf attached
thanks[attach=1]
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 11360--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 27, 2023, 6:41 am
---------------------------------------------------------
There is no GSV link in your last post
#Post#: 11386--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 27, 2023, 12:46 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[member=1000]peek[/member] please re-post the link as
Incandescent has done.
Also please post the PCN.
#Post#: 11409--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: peek
Date: November 27, 2023, 2:24 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
the link is
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QuGDdPWu7BhH7iFr5
I have tried sending files and pictures to the remote sites but
they won't let me register saying I can't access them from my
area
In the attachment pdf file are my two representation letters
(one by post and the second by web) combined.
to follow
in a separate pdf FTLA text is a copy of the pcn, and the appeal
to the tribunal
to follow
in the third pdf is the NOR.
I think I have covered most bases, though you may find something
else. I hope the Tribunal does not find my note about the
(mis-)use of 24 hr and 12 hr clock in the same document to be
frivolous, I spent my career in marketing and advertising and
Compliance with style guides and indeed with the law when in
Insurance and finance were something I worked on daily. I find
sloppiness in these aspects to be a bit annoying.
Thanks for looking and sorry for the shaky start here
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 11410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: peek
Date: November 27, 2023, 2:28 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
second attachment
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 11411--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: peek
Date: November 27, 2023, 2:28 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
third
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 11416--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 27, 2023, 3:52 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Distances from junctions are measured from the extended kerb
line: you draw an imaginary line from the pavement of Elm
Street, as if it just continued without stopping, when this
imaginary line intersects the extended kerb line of Emmanuel
Road (i.e. the imaginary line that shows where the kerb of
Emmanuel Road would be if there were no junction), that's where
you start measuring from.
Maybe you're on to something, the bus gate does appear to be
placed in the wrong location:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3ISnOgO.png
The bus gate should start on the northern side of the pedestrian
crossing:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/g8YbhxH.png
and it should extend for 12 metres from there, along the length
shown below:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/112Ni7q.png
Something's gone wrong with your documents, you need to re-scan
them as the resolution is really poor and they're all cropped. I
suggest you do this from a computer rather than a phone,
smartphones are great but there's a reason people use computers
to do actual work (and you're basically being a solicitor for
yourself, so use the right tools).
#Post#: 11440--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is this bus gate in the wrong place?
DIR By: peek
Date: November 28, 2023, 3:13 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Thanks
I didn't know you could do that on google maps!
Actually that is slightly annoying - they have the South west
bound bus gate in the right spot, but the North East direction
is not;
the vehicle was travelling South West.
I will reload the document scans - I was trying to get them down
in size and failed. PCN is attached
[attachment deleted by admin]
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 2
DIR Next Page