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Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide Details!
DIR By: PublicImage
Date: November 26, 2023, 3:08 am
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Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide Details!
Caught speeding in March this year (43 in a 30). Accepted the
charge, paid £100 fine, received 3 points, filled forms in
online. Gave all details requested in the form. Got a receipt.
Months later the £100 was refunded into my account and I
received a letter saying I did not provide my licence details
when asked. I had to fill in another form about the offence.
On this form I again accepted the speeding offence but I stated
in the comments section that I did provide my licence details.
I then received a fine totalling over £550 and 4 points, which I
had to pay within 28 days.
I paid that.
I have the original receipt from April saying £100 received,
with my licence details on the receipt.
The offence was in West Yorkshire. Dealt with in the Bradford
Magistrates Court. I do not live in West Yorkshire.
What can I do now? Any advice welcome.
Thanks
#Post#: 11269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide
Details!
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: November 26, 2023, 4:39 am
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> On this form I again accepted the speeding offence...
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What was this form? Was it a "Single Justice Procedure Notice"
informing you of court proceedings against you?
#Post#: 11272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide
Details!
DIR By: PublicImage
Date: November 26, 2023, 4:53 am
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I will have a look today. Although I have been told elsewhere
this morning that admitting the offence, giving my driving
licence details and paying my form online was not enough.
Apparently I should also have signed the paper copy of the form
and posted it, which makes no sense at all as the online part
was obviously to streamline and modernise the whole procedure.
#Post#: 11283--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide
Details!
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: November 26, 2023, 5:34 am
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--- Quote from: PublicImage link ---
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> What can I do now? Any advice welcome.
>
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You could start by telling us what happened.
#Post#: 11286--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide
Details!
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: November 26, 2023, 6:02 am
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--- Quote ---
> Although I have been told elsewhere this morning that
admitting the offence, giving my driving licence details and
paying my form online was not enough.
>
> Apparently I should also have signed the paper copy of the
form and posted it, which makes no sense at all as the online
part was obviously to streamline and modernise the whole
procedure.
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That's incorrect. You only need to sign a form when providing
the driver's details. You get the request for those details when
you are sent the "Notice of Intended Prosecution". You must have
provided them in order to be offered a fixed penalty and if you
didn't (or failed to sign the form) you would have been
prosecuted for failing to do so. That offence carries six
points, not four, so you have been convicted of speeding.
I've just noticed in your original post that you said you
"received 3 points" after you had sent off your £100. Are you
sure about that? How do you know? You also said you have paid
the £550.
I'm guessing but this is my take on what probably has happened:
You were sent a NIP and a request for driver's details.
You responded by naming yourself as the driver.
You were offered a fixed penalty.
You paid £100 and provided your licence details.
The police failed to process your licence details (for whatever
reason).
You were prosecuted for speeding and were sent a "Single Justice
Procedure Notice" (SJPN).
You responded by pleading guilty to speeding.
You were sentenced in accordance with the normal sentencing
guidelines.
You paid the fine/costs etc. and have four points on your
licence.
If I'm right, the only option for you is to ask the court which
convicted you to reopen your case and ask them to re-sentence
you at the fixed penalty level. Whether or not they will agree
to your request depends very much on what you received and how
you responded
Check what paperwork you were sent and how you responded.
#Post#: 11287--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide
Details!
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: November 26, 2023, 6:03 am
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
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> [quote]Although I have been told elsewhere this morning that
admitting the offence, giving my driving licence details and
paying my form online was not enough.
>
> Apparently I should also have signed the paper copy of the
form and posted it, which makes no sense at all as the online
part was obviously to streamline and modernise the whole
procedure.
--- End Quote ---
That's incorrect. You only need to sign a form when providing
the driver's details. You get the request for those details when
you are sent the "Notice of Intended Prosecution". You must have
provided them in order to be offered a fixed penalty and if you
didn't (or failed to sign the form) you would have been
prosecuted for failing to do so. That offence carries six
points, not four, so you have been convicted of speeding.
I've just noticed in your original post that you said you
"received 3 points" after you had sent off your £100. Are you
sure about that? How do you know? You also said you have paid
the £550.
I'm guessing but this is my take on what probably has happened:
You were sent a NIP and a request for driver's details.
You responded by naming yourself as the driver.
You were offered a fixed penalty.
You paid £100 and provided your licence details.
The police failed to process your licence details (for whatever
reason).
You were prosecuted for speeding and were sent a "Single Justice
Procedure Notice" (SJPN).
You responded by pleading guilty to speeding.
You were sentenced in accordance with the normal sentencing
guidelines.
You paid the fine/costs etc. and have four points on your
licence.
If I'm right, the only option for you is to ask the court which
convicted you to reopen your case and ask them to re-sentence
you at the fixed penalty level. Whether or not they will agree
to your request depends very much on what you received and how
you responded
As Andy says, we need to know exactly what happened before
proper advice can be given. Check what paperwork you were sent
and how you responded.
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Re: Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide
Details!
DIR By: Reentrant
Date: November 26, 2023, 11:31 am
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Mrs had a NIP recently. She's RK and was the driver. While her
details were all submitted online, there was also a driver
details form that had to be completed, signed and posted to the
Fixed Penalty Office.
I guess people are ignoring this as they think the online
submission and online payment is sufficient.
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