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       #Post#: 113793--------------------------------------------------
       Derbyshire CC Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and
       broken white line
   DIR By: Pauly436
       Date: March 20, 2026, 2:41 am
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       Dear all.
       An owner has received a PCN (Attached) for parking in a lay-by
       that was separated from the road by double yellow lines but also
       white broken lines.
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       I have attached the location and an image of the location.
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       Would the road having both road markings invalidate this ticket?
       Can you spot anything in the ticket that does not meet
       standards? I was surprised by how vague the ticket is.
       Location-  Rushup edge to the junction it suggests is 2.5 miles.
       Also the observed start and end time is identical.
       Any advice appreciated.
       Thanks
       #Post#: 113802--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and broken white line
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: March 20, 2026, 5:00 am
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       Please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
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       Please post a GSV link
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       Re: Derbyshire. Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines and
       broken white line
   DIR By: Pauly436
       Date: March 20, 2026, 10:04 am
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       GSV link added and subject amend as requested.
       Any help with this one would be greatly received.
       #Post#: 113862--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Derbyshire CC Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines
       and broken white line
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: March 20, 2026, 12:14 pm
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       What are the PCN number and VRM.
       Yellow lines control verges and it doesn't look like a lay-by.
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       Re: Derbyshire CC Code 01. PCN Lay-by with Double yellow lines
       and broken white line
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: March 20, 2026, 3:13 pm
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       I have been this way more than a few times !!
       Over the years, as more and more visitors visit this area,  the
       council has restricted more and more of the roadside around
       here, and this is no exception. If one looks the other way, one
       can see how the bay would have been. It may, indeed still be
       like that.  For me, the DYLs condemn you, because they apply to
       the whole 'road' which includes everything up to the property
       line, (the dry stone wall). I don't think the faded and worn
       dashed white line would win it, as the DYLs are very clear.
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       > Also the observed start and end time is identical.
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       There is nothing in the law or its associated regulations that
       mandates observation times. There are two exemptions to these
       DYLs, (1) loading/unloading and (2) boarding/alighting
       passengers. Unless you tell us more, I doubt either of these
       applies.
       Locus is of less importance to PCNs served at the roadside to
       car or driver as it is assumed you know where you have parked
       your car. It could be an issue for a Notice to Owner if the
       driver was not the owner.
       The road you parked on is the old Mam Tor Road. Mam Tor is
       called "Shivering Mountain" and the constant rock falls and the
       road falling into the valley below, led to its closure. I first
       came this way in the late 70s on a motorbike, (Yamaha XS750)
       with a German chap on a Honda CX500, and we climbed up Mam Tor.
       The PCN does not have certain mandatory information, but I don't
       think you have posted all of it. Errors in the'small print'
       could make it void, so post it all up, please.
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