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#Post#: 113693--------------------------------------------------
SJP Received - Dual Charge (S172 and Speeding) - Didn't receive
my NIP
DIR By: yek
Date: March 19, 2026, 5:35 am
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Hi everyone,
​I'm hoping to get some advice on how to correctly fill
out my SJP online response. I've been hit with a dual charge
(Speeding and S172 Failure to Furnish) because of a missing
letter.
​Here is the timeline of what happened:
​06/10/2025: Underlying speeding offence (35mph in a 30mph
zone in Leeds).
​The original NIP went to my wife. She filled it out and
returned it, naming me as the driver.
​I then waited for my own NIP/S172 request, but it
genuinely never arrived in the post. Police obviously didn't get
a reply from me.
​10/03/2026: SJP Notice issued to me with both charges.
​The Charges on the SJP:
​Offence 1: S172 (Fail to give information relating to the
identification of the driver) - Offence date 04/12/2025.
​Offence 2: Speeding (35 in a 30) - Offence date
06/10/2025.
​My Goal:
I was the driver, and I am completely willing to accept the 3
points and fine for the 35 in a 30. However, I want to avoid the
6 points for the S172, as I honestly never received the letter.
​I've been reading up and understand that doing a "split
plea" online (ticking Guilty for Speeding and Not Guilty for
S172) is a trap that could result in me getting convicted of
both and receiving 9 points. I want to do the standard "plea
bargain" at court (offer to plead Guilty to the speeding if the
prosecutor drops the S172).
​My Questions:
​To execute this plea deal at court, exactly how should I
respond to the SJP online right now? Do I plead "Not Guilty" to
BOTH offences to force a court hearing?
​Is there a specific box I need to tick or a statement I
should include in the mitigation/comments box online, or do I
just leave it blank and wait for the court date?
​Thanks in advance for your help!
#Post#: 113702--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Received - Dual Charge (S172 and Speeding) - Didn't
receive my NIP
DIR By: BertB
Date: March 19, 2026, 6:18 am
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Standard practice these days is to plead not guilty to both
offences and in the 'reasons for not guilty' box write that you
would be willing to amend your plea for the speeding charge to
guilty if the S.172 offence is dropped.
It used to be a necessity to attend court to facilitate this
sort of deal, but we hear more often than not these days it is
being performed at SJPN stage. If they don't accept the online
plea then it will proceed to court where traditional methods can
be used.
#Post#: 114032--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Received - Dual Charge (S172 and Speeding) - Didn't
receive my NIP
DIR By: Ex CPS here
Date: March 22, 2026, 2:24 pm
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The clean answer is this: if his aim is the usual court-door
resolution, he should not do a split plea online. He should
respond within the 21-day limit by pleading not guilty to both
charges, which gets the case out of the single justice paper
process and into open court. GOV.UK says a not guilty response
under the SJP means the case goes to court, and the Criminal
Procedure Rules treat a not guilty response as a notice
requiring listing, whereas written representations and
mitigation are tied to a guilty response.
I would not use the online comments box to run the facts. Keep
it tight. If the portal allows a note and he feels he must put
something, I would keep it to no more than: "I request that this
matter be listed for hearing." I would not put in a mini witness
statement, and I would not hand the prosecution an online
admission that he was the driver. That is just doing their job
for them.
Then, when the matter is listed, he attends and speaks to the
prosecutor before the case is called on. That is the point at
which he can say he is prepared to plead guilty to the speeding
if the section 172 count is withdrawn. That preserves his room
to manoeuvre. Doing "guilty to speeding / not guilty to s172"
online is the risky version because it can leave the speeding
effectively conceded while the s172 is still alive. That is how
people step on the rake.
The reason this matters is obvious enough. Speeding is the
smaller problem. The ordinary minimum penalty for speeding is
£100 and 3 points, whereas failing to give driver information
under section 172 carries 6 points and a level 3 fine. The
Sentencing Council also identifies section 172 as a 6-point
offence.
So the practical answer to his questions is: yes, not guilty to
both if the object is to force a hearing and try to resolve it
properly in court; no, do not put detailed mitigation in the
online box; and no, do not leave the response blank or miss the
deadline. Respond in time, get it listed, and deal with the
prosecutor in person on the day.
#Post#: 114049--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Received - Dual Charge (S172 and Speeding) - Didn't
receive my NIP
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: March 22, 2026, 8:11 pm
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The primary aim is generally to safely have the s. 172 dropped
for a guilty plea to the speeding. The secondary aim is to
achieve the primary aim with the minimum hassle. The overall aim
is the resolution that is commonly done at the court door, but
preferably to achieve it before getting to the court door.
Different force/CPS areas have different policies regarding the
court doing the deal on behalf of the prosecution - in some
areas they even send out an explanatory note with the SJPN
stating that the charges are treated as alternatives, and that a
guilty plea to one will see the other automatically dropped, so
whilst pleading not guilty to both charges, the advice not to
offer the deal in the plea form only seems to make any sense if
the intention is to ensure that the deal is not done earlier and
with less upheaval - which would seem to be a rather
misconceived intention.
#Post#: 114422--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Received - Dual Charge (S172 and Speeding) - Didn't
receive my NIP
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: March 25, 2026, 4:20 pm
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Plead not guilty to both charges. In the “Reason for NG plea”
put “I am willing to plead guilty to speeding provided the s172
charge is dropped.”
You may have to attend court following this or it might be dealt
with under the Single Justice procedure. It depends on the
process used in the area concerned.
#Post#: 114424--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Received - Dual Charge (S172 and Speeding) - Didn't
receive my NIP
DIR By: yek
Date: March 25, 2026, 5:26 pm
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Thank you I have submitted not guilty for both with relevant
commentary. I will keep posted on the outcome.
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