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#Post#: 11200--------------------------------------------------
34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate Road
DIR By: smulx
Date: November 25, 2023, 11:00 am
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I avoid driving in Newcastle mostly because of the bus lanes.
I'm sure they've intentionally been set up in a way that
maximises revenue. They usually only exist for short stretches
of road, but often the different stretches alternate sides of
the road, so unless you know where they all are, it's difficult
to stay out of them.
On this occasion, I waited at the lights in the picture below. I
didn't know a bus lane was coming up until I got there, and I
had to stop where the green mark is. The issue is though, the
other lane was totally gridlocked, where I've marked red. I
waited a bit and the traffic didn't budge. By then, I had a
queue of vehicles behind me that had started beeping and
flashing their lights because I was blocking them all. With the
other lane showing no sign of starting to move, I just had to
drive through the bus lane.
In the council's picture you can see the traffic in the other
lane, but I can't prove I got stuck, not able to move over. I
might have dash cam footage, but will the council care about
this? The street view image below is from 2021 which shows the
road marking are very faint, but I'm not sure what they're like
now as it was dark when I was there.
I'm not sure if I have any case, but thought it might be worth
asking.
Thanks
other thread -
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Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: smulx
Date: November 25, 2023, 11:03 am
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extra pages attached.
Also, there is a useful response on the other form. The poster
points out that the road markings begin 10m before the signage.
Not sure how significant that is.
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Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 25, 2023, 12:44 pm
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Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd7PNO68jhM
Can you give us a link to the exact spot on google street view
please? I'm frankly not sure how that video proves anything.
Other issues to explore are the traffic order and the camera
approval, but I need the exact location first.
#Post#: 11247--------------------------------------------------
Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: smulx
Date: November 25, 2023, 2:42 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Video:
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd7PNO68jhM
>
> Can you give us a link to the exact spot on google street view
please? I'm frankly not sure how that video proves anything.
>
> Other issues to explore are the traffic order and the camera
approval, but I need the exact location first.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here's the location of the beginning of the bus lane -
Streetview
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pinocchio+Ristorante/@54.9699011,-1.6160439,3a,75y,140.59h,77.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGuQ8nvZOop8eUjYOpLFcKQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m17!1m9!3m8!1s0x487e77482863d56b:0x3984e8cdf4e4cbb1!2sWestgate+Rd,+Newcastle+upon+Tyne!3b1!8m2!3d54.971932!4d-1.630738!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F1td1_v03!3m6!1s0x487e70b50338316b:0xc12ee29228df4b60!8m2!3d54.969973!4d-1.6173978!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F1txnp0f9?entry=ttu.
The video appears to show the part of the road that curves off
to the right. Please let me know if you need any more info from
me.
I checked my dashcam and unfortunately the video has been
overwritten.
#Post#: 11267--------------------------------------------------
Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: guest17
Date: November 26, 2023, 4:03 am
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This is where the video was taken --round the corner from where
the bus lane starts:-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/UBjfANAoTymWfYwp6
Which means you can't get to the Central Station without going
all the way to the Tyne Bridge roundabout and turning back on
yourself.
Truly Newcastle's planners are a class apart.
Mike
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Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 26, 2023, 8:53 am
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The road markings on google street view from 2021 looks very
worn and they may well have vanished entirely. Would you be able
to pop back and get us some updates pictures please?
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Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: smulx
Date: November 26, 2023, 9:40 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> The road markings on google street view from 2021 looks very
worn and they may well have vanished entirely. Would you be able
to pop back and get us some updates pictures please?
>
--- End Quote ---
Unfortunately not, it's a bit out of the way for me and it might
be a couple of weeks before I can get back there. Would I have
any other grounds to dispute it without knowing about the lines?
Thanks
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Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 26, 2023, 10:06 am
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There's various enquiries I've made about the traffic order and
the camera approval, but the starting point would be the
signage. The discount doesn't expire until 17 December, so if
you're going back in a couple of weeks that should give us a
week or so to sort something out.
#Post#: 11798--------------------------------------------------
Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: smulx
Date: December 3, 2023, 6:28 am
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Unfortunately I'm not sure if I'll get chance to get into town
to take pictures. Any advice on my grounds to dispute without
that would be appreciated. I'll update if I do get chance, but I
think it's unlikely before the discount expires.
Thanks again
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Re: 34J - Being in a Bus Lane - Newcastle Council - Westgate
Road
DIR By: smulx
Date: December 11, 2023, 3:40 pm
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Is it possible to get any advice on this one please? I only have
a few days left until the discount ends, so I'm thinking I'll
just need to pay it as I don't know what grounds I have to
dispute.
Thanks
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