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#Post#: 112901--------------------------------------------------
City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: D D Date: March 11, 2026, 3:03 pm
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I had to drop some equipment and tools off at Rathbone Place at
the weekend for a job. My van was in for maintenance work and I
used my personal car that day. There was no access to the front
entrance due to road closure on Rathbone street which is a one
way street to the front entrance of building. I circled the area
and could only find this loading bay which is written on the
road (the sign is facing the other way stating use see image).
I took one of the heavy items and on my return a pcn was placed
on the screen. I spoke to the officer and he even understood and
said make an appeal if you’re not a regular offender you will be
let off.
Due to the circumstances I thought I had a solid case so
appealed with the following and the response from COW is
attached. When doing the appeal it would only allow me to add
one picture which I used the one of the vehicle with the sign
and officer in view.
I'm writing to appeal the Penalty Charge Notice issued today,
the 7th of March, at 11:32 AM. I arrived at 11:27 AM to unload
necessary equipment for a resident at Rathbone Place. I was
unable to access the main concierge entrance due to roadworks,
specifically the resurfacing of Rathbone Street, which
completely closed access. Furthermore, the signage was not
clearly visible due to its orientation to my direction of
travel, and I relied on the white line markings on the road
indicating 'loading only'. Also, my 'work van' was being
repaired. I have attached photographic evidence to support my
situation. I would be grateful if you could consider these
mitigating circumstances and cancel the PCN. Thank you.
HTML https://photobucket.com/share/ef9834b1-b1f4-41cd-9bbb-dc686d3edc4c
HTML https://photobucket.com/share/26431307-07de-4fcf-a657-35c12d62b4d7
HTML https://photobucket.com/share/6b128755-a67f-4145-968d-ed787f6c55b1
HTML https://photobucket.com/share/23b500fd-7552-4e57-957f-91c20951d677
#Post#: 112902--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: D D Date: March 11, 2026, 3:18 pm
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HTML https://photobucket.com/share/33b71ba3-b51f-4fb2-833c-5bb4f85782ea
Hopefully the links work this one above is of them images
bundled. I did try with the sites recommended imgpile but it
flagged up my images as spam and wouldn’t share.
#Post#: 112927--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: fraser.mitchell Date: March 11, 2026, 7:22 pm
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Well, they've played hard ball, I'm afraid because you parked in
a "Goods Vehicles Only" loading bay, at least that is what they
say, so please post a GSV link to the location so we can see the
sign for ourselves.
Did you provide any form of collateral to support your
representations of van in for repair, and had to use private car
for work purposes ? Things like this can soften their
granite-like hearts sometimes.
#Post#: 112937--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: D D Date: March 12, 2026, 2:49 am
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Good morning,
Unfortunately not as I pay a friend to do it at the weekend for
me out of his normal working hours. The only thing I have is a
receipt for parts that i ordered from a supplier.
Location is,
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dsn7ufzzzSQsSyZu9
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dsn7ufzzzSQsSyZu9
Here’s the sign from my angle of approaching the area
HTML https://photobucket.com/share/411ec0cd-0599-4350-9110-c7f6d451d0b7
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Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: tincombe Date: March 12, 2026, 3:52 am
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Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle and are your DVLA
details current? I ask because the next formal stage is for the
registered keeper to be issued with a Notice to Owner, and if
this isn't you e.g. it's leased etc, then this can introduce
complexities.
Your reps were thin but we can look at this later if you decide
to reject the council's offer.
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Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: D D Date: March 12, 2026, 4:11 am
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[quote author=tincombe link=topic=10205.msg112943#msg112943
date=1773305544]
Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle and are your DVLA
details current? I ask because the next formal stage is for the
registered keeper to be issued with a Notice to Owner, and if
this isn't you e.g. it's leased etc, then this can introduce
complexities.
Your reps were thin but we can look at this later if you decide
to reject the council's offer.
[/quote]
This car is owned by my employer as far as I’m aware. It’s a
family run Limited company so it’s easy for me to communicate
with them regarding the car if this helps.
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Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: tincombe Date: March 12, 2026, 4:36 am
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Often companies lease vehicles, so you need to check this out.
Your first post stated 'your personal vehicle' so I'm still
unclear.
As regards the contravention, as I posted IMO your reps were
thin as this is alluded to in the council's response.
Was the delivery undertaken on behalf of your employer by way of
their business or were you operating in a personal capacity but
merely using a vehicle loaned to you by your employer?
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Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: D D Date: March 12, 2026, 4:44 am
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[quote author=tincombe link=topic=10205.msg112945#msg112945
date=1773308206]
Often companies lease vehicles, so you need to check this out.
Your first post stated 'your personal vehicle' so I'm still
unclear.
As regards the contravention, as I posted IMO your reps were
thin as this is alluded to in the council's response.
Was the delivery undertaken on behalf of your employer by way of
their business or were you operating in a personal capacity but
merely using a vehicle loaned to you by your employer?
[/quote]
So to be clear this is a car that’s part of my work package. I
was doing a private job for someone I know using their vehicle
and not my own.
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Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: tincombe Date: March 12, 2026, 5:10 am
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Thanks. I was exploring whether, despite the vehicle not being
classed as a 'goods vehicle', it was nonetheless engaged in a
commercial activity on behalf of your employer and but for the
fact that they were unable to supply you with a goods vehicle
but still expected you under your employment contract to carry
out this work, the contravention would not have occurred.
IMO, this would have given you an argument for the authority to
exercise discretion.
But it doesn't seem to apply.
IMO, if the vehicle is supplied as part of your work package and
you are not the RK then this makes it more likely that it could
be leased.
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Re: City of Westminster PCN Appeal outcome
By: D D Date: March 12, 2026, 5:28 am
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Yeah that would have been an advantage. They allow me to use it
for private use but I’d rather they not know I’m doing out of
work jobs just incase it’s frowned upon ;)
I have asked whether it’s leased or owned. It is infact owned by
the company.
What’s your thoughts on direction with challenging?
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