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#Post#: 11094--------------------------------------------------
Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: flash2005
Date: November 24, 2023, 9:06 am
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The driver of the vehicle(wife) parked on George Lane and made a
mistake confusing Sunday with Saturday restrictions as she was
in a hurry and unfortunately got a ticket. The signs require a
bit of thinking to figure out, but they are quite clear once you
interpret them properly.
I am not sure if there are any grounds to contest this. However
MrMustard has highlighted a procedural impropriety in another
thread which can potentially be used here - quoting here.
"There is a wording error on the PCN which arises out of a
legislative change in 2022. The PCN should say you have to pay
it within 28 days of the alleged contravention date but it says
date of service. That is a procedural impropriety in my view
which means an adjudicator must cancel the PCN if they agree."
Given this worked previously can this be used again to cancel
the ticket ?
PCN
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pgCBDgo.png
Picture
HTML https://i.imgur.com/uFWH25f.png
Sign
HTML https://i.imgur.com/yrCtMXJ.jpg
Google Maps Link
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/RTz6S1iZdUi4bo9X6
#Post#: 11108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 24, 2023, 1:17 pm
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Mr Mustard has more experience than me, but I think this is thin
gruel, as I'm not sure adjudicators are of one mind on this one,
bearing in mind it is a Regulation 9 PCN, so served at the
roadside to the vehicle, (or driver) as soon as the PCN is
printed. Certainly the council won't give way so you's have to
risk the full PCN penalty at London Tribunals for an unbiased
decision.
#Post#: 11115--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: flash2005
Date: November 24, 2023, 1:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Mr Mustard has more experience than me, but I think this is
thin gruel, as I'm not sure adjudicators are of one mind on this
one, bearing in mind it is a Regulation 9 PCN, so served at the
roadside to the vehicle, (or driver) as soon as the PCN is
printed. Certainly the council won't give way so you's have to
risk the full PCN penalty at London Tribunals for an unbiased
decision.
>
--- End Quote ---
Is there any other option ? I have yet to do the appeal
#Post#: 11117--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 24, 2023, 1:53 pm
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Yes, pay-up !
#Post#: 11216--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 25, 2023, 12:11 pm
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There's no point in paying at this stage, as we get two shots at
making representations before the discount is lost, so we might
as well give it a go.
There's the issue Mr Mustard has identified, but we also have
the fact that the traffic order might be defective. On top of
that, none of the photos we've seen prove a contravention,
[member=970]flash2005[/member] please give us the PCN number and
the number plate so that we can look at the council photos.
#Post#: 11220--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: flash2005
Date: November 25, 2023, 12:15 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> There's no point in paying at this stage, as we get two shots
at making representations before the discount is lost, so we
might as well give it a go.
>
> There's the issue Mr Mustard has identified, but we also have
the fact that the traffic order might be defective. On top of
that, none of the photos we've seen prove a contravention,
[member=970]flash2005[/member] please give us the PCN number and
the number plate so that we can look at the council photos.
>
--- End Quote ---
PCN - AF06741795
Reg - YU02SEF
#Post#: 11265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: guest17
Date: November 26, 2023, 3:54 am
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The Council order is somewhere on Pepipoo under a similar
thread.
The one issue we have never bottomed out for this taxi rank is
that it is a TfL appointed one. This has been the case ever
since the Slug and Lettuce used to be called the Lizard Lounge.
The photo of the sign has the TfL rank details to the top.
HTML https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-taxi-ranks-booklet.pdf
At one stage TfL only allowed black cabs on their ranks.
I wonder what sort of agreement TfL have with the Council for
this rank and whether this gives us "wriggle room".
Mike
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Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 26, 2023, 5:29 am
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Well the best photo of the sign is the one that you've taken
yourself, so definitely don't send that anywhere, these are the
council photos:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Nhyjswh.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/js4TAA4.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/zPelTC1.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/X15UgGc.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pcCVtIG.jpg
This is the map tile
HTML https://store.traffweb.app/redbridge/documents/parkmap/msched/AJ11_rv1_1.pdf<br
/>and the TMO is here
HTML https://store.traffweb.app/redbridge/documents/parkmap/sched/1.%20The%20Redbridge%20(Waiting,%20Loading,%20Stopping%20and%20Street%20Parking%20Places)%20Consolidation%20Order%202021.pdf.
I think your best bet might be the strategy of last resort which
is described here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/city-of-edinburgh-02-parked-in-a-restricted-street-lochrin-buildings-gilmour-pla/msg7413/#msg7413,<br
/>however that would be reliant on you having some relevant and
meaningful mitigating evidence to put to them.
#Post#: 11292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: flash2005
Date: November 26, 2023, 7:42 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
>
> I think your best bet might be the strategy of last resort
which is described here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/city-of-edinburgh-02-parked-in-a-restricted-street-lochrin-buildings-gilmour-pla/msg7413/#msg7413,<br
/>however that would be reliant on you having some relevant and
meaningful mitigating evidence to put to them.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have subscription to a service called docsend.com, which
allows you to track when the link is opened. There are 2
options - one is where you can force the person to enter an
email id before they can open the link and the another one is
where they can just open the link, and you can track when it was
opened how much time they spent reading it. Does that work ?
Which option is better ?
Being dyslexic - is that a good mitigating circumstance to get
confused between saturday and sunday as well as figuring out the
overlapping parking slot timings in the signs ?
#Post#: 11308--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - Stopped in Taxi Rank - George Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 26, 2023, 9:30 am
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--- Quote from: flash2005 link ---
>
> I have subscription to a service called docsend.com, which
allows you to track when the link is opened. There are 2
options - one is where you can force the person to enter an
email id before they can open the link and the another one is
where they can just open the link, and you can track when it was
opened how much time they spent reading it. Does that work ?
Which option is better ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Definitely the second, I'm not sure the first would be
acceptable at all to the tribunal. Normally I'd set up the links
myself, but if you have the ability to do that then so much the
better, saves me a bit of time.
--- Quote from: flash2005 link ---
>
> Being dyslexic - is that a good mitigating circumstance to get
confused between saturday and sunday as well as figuring out the
overlapping parking slot timings in the signs ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Is there evidence of dyslexia that can be provided via a link?
And anything illustrating its severity?
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