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#Post#: 123846--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 5, 2026, 4:17 pm
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--- Quote from: ReflectoR link ---
>
> No reps made against NTO yet. Was wondering on what grounds to
submit reps.
>
> Should I just submit my original appeal again?
>
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Date of your NtO is 9th June, so you need to get your skates on
as you have 28 days from then to submit reps or pay-up !
Nothing wrong with submitting your informal reps again if you're
in a hurry.
#Post#: 123861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 6, 2026, 2:30 am
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For accuracy, with an NTO dated 9th June the last day of the
28-day period is 8 July.
OP, would you confirm that the NTO is addressed to you because
only the addressee may make reps. So even if this is your
'missus' reps would need to be made under her name.
Also, I'm confused by the layout in Brewery Road. GSV suggests
that the payment bays become operational at 8.30 whereas the
permit bays only come into effect at 9.30 which suggests that
one can park for free in a permit bay when it's chargeable on
the other side of the road. As you are a permit holder, I was
wondering how to develop this but got stuck because you cannot
just move from a payment bay to a permit at 8.30 because the
latter might still be occupied by non permit holders. I'm sure
there's something which could be used to strengthen 'your' reps,
but exactly what I'm not certain.
Pl confirm whether the above layout is correct and who is the
RK.
#Post#: 123868--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: ReflectoR
Date: July 6, 2026, 4:59 am
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RK is my missus. If I remember correctly, this ones on her (for
once).
The pay and display begins at 9.30AM according to the
signboards.
Many of the the permit holder bays in IS-D are taken up by
Islington's own vans (a lot of which are diesels, which I find
hypocritical).
They take up the bays day and night. Many of the residents
complain, but do nothing. Including myself.
I don't mind getting my wife to resubmit the old reps. Just
looking to go tribunal in the hopes I can get something.
#Post#: 123896--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 6, 2026, 10:55 am
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Thanks for the confirmation and clarification.
I would not simply resubmit your informal reps because I cannot
see that they contain any statutory defence. The council's
response at the informal stage counts for little in the
evidential scales, let's see what we can get from them at this
stage. I'm sorry that my draft is long, but I've done this so
that perhaps there are parts you could take and raise with a
local councillor NB. not the council because officers don't need
your vote.
Pl amend any inaccuracies.
Perhaps:
Re PCN *********
I live at ****** and hold a Resident's Permit for zone ID-S, I
therefore use the bays reserved for permit holders in Brewery
Road whenever possible. Unfortunately, the council's policy
makes this more difficult than it should be for permit holders
because these bays do not operate 24/7, in fact they're active
for only 5 days per week and 7 hours per day (Mon-Fri
0930-4.30pm) which means that they may be used more by motorists
who don't pay than those who do, like me, at a rate of £*** per
year. This situation is worsened because, even during their
active hours, I believe the bays are sometimes used without
issue by council staff for their personal vehicles i.e. not
liveried or 'council' vehicles. This lack of provision means
that permit holders jockey with all and sundry for permit bays
during their non-operational hours. If we're successful, fine.
But if not, as happened on the day in question and preceding
evening, then permit holders have to look elsewhere.
On ***(insert the day before the PCN) I couldn't find a vacant
permit bay but managed to locate a vacant pay bay during its
(identical) non-operational hours. From that moment, the Sword
of Damocles was hanging over my head: could I find a vacant
permit bay in that instant when an all and sundry motorist
vacated a permit bay, something my husband and I juggle with too
often? You will see from our otherwise unblemished PCN record*,
that we're normally successful, but on the day in question we
weren't. He thought it was my turn to move the car and I thought
it was his. By the time we realised our error, we had already
fallen between two stools and had been caught in the arms of
your CEO with their £110 penalty.
Damocles's fate was more fortunate.
I understand that the above does not fall within any of the
statutory grounds listed on the NTO, but none the less I hope
they give you compelling reasons to exercise your discretion on
this occasion and I should be grateful if you would.
However, as regards substantive grounds, I would state the
following:
Time allowed to pay
A motorist is allowed a reasonable period of time to comply with
a parking place restriction, in this case to pay. This limits a
CEO who may not determine that a contravention has occurred
until all possible exemptions have been examined e.g. loading,
collecting, motorist in the process of paying etc. Contrary to
the comment in your letter rejecting my husband's informal
representations, a driver is not obliged to remain by their
vehicle. With this in mind, issuing the instant PCN in this case
is procedurally improper. NB. I note the reference in your
letter to an observation period beginning at 9.38, but this is
not supported by the PCN which quite clearly states: 'Observed
from: 9.41 to 9.41'. If you are saying that the PCN is at
variance with the CEO's notes, then this is a serious matter in
itself.
*- is it?
#Post#: 123900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: ReflectoR
Date: July 6, 2026, 12:48 pm
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Thank you so much!
I will edit and submit this (or my wife will at least).
The council vehicles have Islington decals on them.
They have a "base" on Brewery Road. But despite having their own
parking yard, they seem to use all the resident bays.
I've been told by a CEO they are to only use the IS-D business
bays, but that doesn't happen. Well it does, but they overflow
onto the permit bays.
#Post#: 123907--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 6, 2026, 2:47 pm
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This situation is worsened because, even during their active
hours, I believe the bays are sometimes used without issue by
council staff for their personal vehicles i.e. not liveried or
'council' vehicles.
Then I suggest you turn this round:
This situation is worsened because the bays are used by council
liveried vehicles. I understand why this 'council vehicle'
exemption(against a prevailing restriction) might be desirable
when they are operational e.g. street cleaning, highway works,
meals-on-wheels etc. but it is surely not the council's
intention to create an overflow car park for the Brewery Road
depot which effectively robs fee-paying permit holders of the
opportunity to park legitimately.
#Post#: 123910--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: ReflectoR
Date: July 6, 2026, 2:56 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> This situation is worsened because, even during their active
hours, I believe the bays are sometimes used without issue by
council staff for their personal vehicles i.e. not liveried or
'council' vehicles.
>
> Then I suggest you turn this round:
> This situation is worsened because the bays are used by
council liveried vehicles. I understand why this 'council
vehicle' exemption(against a prevailing restriction) might be
desirable when they are operational e.g. street cleaning,
highway works, meals-on-wheels etc. but it is surely not the
council's intention to create an overflow car park for the
Brewery Road depot which effectively robs fee-paying permit
holders of the opportunity to park legitimately.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you, very, very much! :D
#Post#: 123997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: ReflectoR
Date: July 7, 2026, 12:07 pm
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[member=7970]tincombe[/member].
Thank you, I used what you gave, filled in the details, and
modified it for a little more accuracy. Thank you very much.
#Post#: 123998--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: tincombe
Date: July 7, 2026, 12:09 pm
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Manage your expectations here, councils can be hard hearted.
#Post#: 128298--------------------------------------------------
Re: Islington Contravention Code 11 Parked without payment of
the parking charge
DIR By: ReflectoR
Date: August 20, 2026, 4:33 am
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Hi. I got a response from the council on the 27th of July, which
I am posting below.
I know I've left it very late.
I also can't seem to find the page that would have the code to
take it to tribunal, if I've lost it, is there anyway to recover
or find it?
Thank you all in advance, as always.
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