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#Post#: 112685--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP for speeding + S172. Never received NIP (already 9
points) advice please?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: March 10, 2026, 7:46 am
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So, you know where the V5C is, you know that it hasn't moved in
the last 5 years, and 2 1/2 hours after telling us this, you
still haven't managed to find it?
#Post#: 112689--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP for speeding + S172. Never received NIP (already 9
points) advice please?
DIR By: matriarchrising
Date: March 10, 2026, 8:42 am
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Thanks, that’s really helpful and I appreciate you taking the
time to explain it.
If I was sitting on something like 0–6 points and not already on
9, I’d probably just take the pragmatic route and admit the
September speeding (as it genuinely could have been me) and deal
with that, while defending the January one as I know that wasn’t
me driving.
But because I’m already on 9 points it sounds like it woould
onnly end back in court anyway... So from what you’re saying,
the only real route to avoiding that is to plead not guilty to
the FtP charges and defend them on the basis that the notices
were never received.
As I said after years of never having any problems and odd 35 in
a 30 offences... at the same address with same vehicles, that
the exact same situation happened to my husband last year — he
received an SJP out of the blue having never received the
original NIP or driver request. He pleaded guilty to the
speeding but not guilty to the Section 172, and then a couple of
months later we just received a letter saying the case had been
dismissed. He never had to attend court or do anything further.
That obviously makes me wonder whether something similar could
happen again,if they know there is an issue with West Yorkshire
Police producing evidence... although I realise that may just
have been luck or administrative issue.
Given my points situation it sounds like the sensible approach
is probably to plead not guilty to everything and be prepared to
defend the FtP charges in court if necessary.
Out of interest, would you bother mentioning the previous case
involving my husband, or is that likely to be
irrelevant/irritating/stoking in the eyes of the court?
#Post#: 112690--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP for speeding + S172. Never received NIP (already 9
points) advice please?
DIR By: matriarchrising
Date: March 10, 2026, 8:45 am
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--- Quote from: JustLoveCars link ---
>
> [quote author=matriarchrising
link=topic=10178.msg112657#msg112657 date=1773142152]
> ...but especially being on 9 points and reliant on my licence
to ensure my husband who has 0 points took them, as I say on
offence definitely was and the other also of they were his.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just to be clear - you are being prosecuted and not your
husband. (There's no formal process now to 'pass' the
prosecution/points to him even if you can prove he was driving)
I'm aware you saying that this adds weight to the claim that the
NIPs did not arrive.
[/quote]
Ah yes, ok thanks. I mean I would have done this orginally if I
had been afforded the opprunity of them actually sending it to
me, so I think it is worth mentioned in the covering letter/my
evidence section and in court if it came to it?
#Post#: 112717--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP for speeding + S172. Never received NIP (already 9
points) advice please?
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: March 10, 2026, 10:45 am
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--- Quote ---
> Given my points situation it sounds like the sensible approach
is probably to plead not guilty to everything and be prepared to
defend the FtP charges in court if necessary.
--- End Quote ---
It will be necessary, without any doubt. Even if you plead
guilty you will be asked to attend court as you will be facing a
ban.
Of course you cannot absolutely “prove” that the notices were
not delivered. You must convince the court that it is more
likely than not that they were not. Your case will turn entirely
on your credibility. It may help if you mention previous
occasions where you did not receive notices but essentially it
will be for the court to decide whether or not they believe you
received these particular notices.
Have you checked your V5C yet?
--- Quote ---
> FWIW, this advice was posted on Pistonheads, but motoring
lawyer AGTLAW (Andrew Thompson,
HTML http://www.shameless.prompotion
)
replied "Ignore nonsense from the Foolish Legal Advice forum
about attending court [pleading not guilty to both charges] and
speaking to the usher".
--- End Quote ---
Andrew Thompson seems to treat “Pistonheds” as one of his
advertising mediums to attract business. He was equally
disparaging of advice given on Pepipoo and on PH he gives the
opinion that any advice provided by anyone not legally trained
(and he seems to be the only one on that forum who is) is not
worth listening to.
Equally FWIW, that strategy has been followed successfully by
quite a few people on here and we have heard of no failures
lately.
#Post#: 112719--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP for speeding + S172. Never received NIP (already 9
points) advice please?
DIR By: BertB
Date: March 10, 2026, 11:00 am
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I wouldn't pop up here flag waving for a self serving **** like
AGT. If you said the sky was blue he would insist that you
didn't know what you were talking about and only he could
properly advise on what colour the sky was.
Edit: Actually, just looking through your post history. Hi
Andrew! :D
#Post#: 112720--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP for speeding + S172. Never received NIP (already 9
points) advice please?
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: March 10, 2026, 11:01 am
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--- Quote from: BertB link ---
>
> I wouldn't pop up here flag waving for a self serving ****
like AGT. If you said the sky was blue he would insist that you
didn't know what you were talking about and only he could
properly advise on the what colour the sky was.
>
--- End Quote ---
;D ;D ;D
Where's that "Best Answer" button?
***Mod edit***
Much as I am minded to disregard advice regarding mocking the
afflicted in Mr Thomspon's case, continuing what is effectively
an irrelevant hijack of the OP's case does not assist the OP.
Agreed. Apologies to the learned moderator and to the OP. - NJ
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