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LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: Rosa52
Date: March 9, 2026, 11:22 am
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Dear Moderators,
I would like to ask for your help & advice.
Daughter has received PCN for 31J alleged infringement as she is
Keeper, but I was driving and she was at work. Grounds for
representations do not include category to state she "was not
Driver". Should we start the process by declaring that fact?
Although the PCN says "stopped on YBJ", the vehicle was still
proceeding slowly behind traffic in front. Shall load up the
details tonight.
Also, I notice the PCN does not make reference to any
Legislation, and wonder if this is the norm?
Only just caught up with recent post and have only about 7 days
to respond, and would appreciate any assistance.
Many thanks.
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Re: LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 9, 2026, 12:15 pm
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Hello.
Grounds for representations will not include a category to state
she "was not Driver" as this isn't a ground. Identity of driver
is irrelevant as it's the vehicle's owner who is responsible for
the penalty charge whomever was driving.
As such, while you can assist your daughter with this matter,
all correspondence with the council (and potentially thereafter
with the tribunal) should be sent as if from her.
Consequently, while it may be helpful context when it comes to
drafting representations, it's unlikely to be hugely relevant
and it's not worth focussing on too much.
Can't offer much more assistance until we see the PCN and video
- if the car genuinely did not stop moving then that ought to
mean the PCN was incorrectly issued and is beatable.
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Re: LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 9, 2026, 4:01 pm
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Please read this and update your thread accordingly, then
assistance can be given:-
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 10, 2026, 4:17 pm
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If you've only got a few days left to respond, best to post the
details up asap.
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Re: LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: Rosa52
Date: March 10, 2026, 7:58 pm
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Hello Mr Chips,
Apologies for the delay as I could not post the images
successfully, and had to meet up with my daughter for help in
forwarding the relevant photos.
On the day, I proceeded onto Gliddon Rd from Palliser Rd where
it met Margravine Gdns, entering the box slowly when I saw the
vehicles ahead moving along. I don't recall getting trapped
within - which is what the LA is alleging. I certainly was not
blocking the path of any vehicles.
Also included is a photo of the junction box that is
longer/wider than the road leading to that point - which I hope
will help.
Enclosed are the PCN images, photo of location, and a Google
image of the site:
PCN images:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/QoE5kll
Google images:
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Barons+Court/@51.4902695,-0.2137004,109m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x48760fbe4450375f:0xfb644531656f4352!2sBarons+Court!8m2!3d51.4903156!4d-0.2135906!16zL20vMDI2Z3dm!3m5!1s0x48760fbe4450375f:0xfb644531656f4352!8m2!3d51.4903156!4d-0.2135906!16zL20vMDI2Z3dm!5m1!1e4?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.
Box junction:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/oDaucGJ
Hammersmith appears to have set up many box junctions in
multiple spots, resulting in traffic being mostly backed up, at
busy times as nobody can move for fear of getting trapped in the
hatched area.
For example, just today mine was the first vehicle in a queue of
cars at a crossroad with a box junction, but could not join the
traffic until after the lights had changed five times
(stationary for over 30 minutes), due to the long tailbacks on
the main road preventing cars from proceeding further.
Look forward to hearing from you, and hope the images help to
sort out my circumstances.
Thank you.
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Re: LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 11, 2026, 5:29 am
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From your description, it sounds like you haven't watched the
video evidence yet - I'd recommend you do so (it can be accessed
by inputting the PCN and vehicle registration details at the
link below):
HTML https://ocmlive.xrxpsc.com/lbhf/ocm-fe/ocm/
Unfortunately, in my opinion it shows a fairly clear cut
contravention. The vehicle gets stuck for several seconds at
the far end of the box junction marking behind a stationary
vehicle.
You still have a few days before the discount expires but I
couldn't see any obvious strong points to challenge this on.
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Re: LBHF 31J PCN
DIR By: Rosa52
Date: March 12, 2026, 9:14 am
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Hello Mr Chips,
Thank you checking on my case and your advice.
Much appreciation & kind regards.
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