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#Post#: 112538--------------------------------------------------
Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition on
motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: mfaiz
Date: March 9, 2026, 7:35 am
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I have received two moving traffic PCNs for the same vehicle
(VRM KW75 EXK) on 20/02/2026, issued by the London Borough of
Hammersmith & Fulham.
Both alleged contraventions are for Code 52M Failing to comply
with a prohibition on motor vehicles.
The key details:
PCN 1 15:25 RMV Steventon Rd Eastbound junction Old Oak Rd
PCN number: HZ97617253
Date of Notice: 03/03/2026
PCN 2 15:27 RMV Sawley Rd Eastbound near junction
Bloemfontein Rd
PCN number: HZ9759050A
Date of Notice: 02/03/2026
Both PCNs were issued by the same camera operator (VA143) and
only two minutes apart, although at different nearby locations.
I don't recall seeing any road signs on the approach on old oak
road nor on sawley road (it does have a lot of trees). The only
sign i can see is 90 degrees to old oak road, meaning you'd only
see it once about to turn in. However I could be mistaken I am
not from the London, was visiting family who live just off
Bloemfontein road. Unfortunately they didn't remember the
restriction nor registered me on the ringo app.
PCNs and All Pages
PCN 1 HZ9759050A (Sawley Rd)
Date of alleged contravention: 20/02/2026 15:27
Date of Notice: 02/03/2026
Location: RMV Sawley Rd Eastbound near junction Bloemfontein Rd
(VA)
Full penalty: £160
Discount: £80 (14 days)
Camera: VA143
PCN 2 HZ97617253 (Steventon Rd / Old Oak Rd)
Date of alleged contravention: 20/02/2026 15:25
Date of Notice: 03/03/2026
Location: RMV Steventon Rd Eastbound junction Old Oak Rd (VA)
Full penalty: £160
Discount: £80
Camera: VA143
Both videos here:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/3FO8rQ5
Actual notices: PCN1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/18OLIopTnHinpp2_XaUYefN_85l9e3ZQ2/view?usp=drive_link
PCN2
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f2-Qz-GAauFugCJ1Rz-NScUwyrk_tsNs/view?usp=drive_link
Old Oak Rd → Steventon Rd Eastbound
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/o8zroZnqsmU2R3YS7
Sawley Rd Eastbound → Bloemfontein Rd
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/TzLzLgG3URMaMbhx9
#Post#: 112587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 9, 2026, 3:39 pm
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I am very surprised your friends you were visiting forgot about
this new LTN scheme, unless they don't own and use a car. Yours
is the second thread we've had on this scheme, no doubt put in
for the penalties cash like the one in Croydon recently declared
unlawful by a High Court judge. However, this doesn't get you
off your two PCN
s unfortunately !
The previous thread was for the Old Oak Road restriction signs,
and lack of advance warning signs for those making a LH turn was
the main appeal point as I recall.
For the other PCN, their video does not show you passing the
restriction sign, the camera only shows the signs for the
opposite direction, so that is your main point.
It has now become quite plain that councils couldn't care less
about lower traffic, the main purpose of these LTNs is to get
PCN penalty money flowing in. This is, of course, an illegal
purpose, so everything is dressed up to claim it is all about
the local residents blah, blah, who mainly oppose them !
#Post#: 112792--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: mfaiz
Date: March 11, 2026, 5:08 am
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Thank you based on that, here are my representations for the 2
pcns based on the comments above and this older thread Old Oak
Rd
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-types-of-vehicle-m-motor-veh/:
--- Code ---
PCN HZ97617253 15:25 Steventon Road / Old Oak Road
I challenge the PCN on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur because the restriction was not
adequately indicated, supported by video evidence.
1. No advance warning of the restriction
There is no advance sign on the approach to the junction. The
restriction only becomes apparent at the moment the manoeuvre
has already been committed. A driver cannot comply with a
restriction that is not indicated before reaching the decision
point.
2. The sign is not visible to approaching traffic
Video evidence shows that the sign is positioned almost edge
on at ninety degrees to the drivers approach. It is not facing
traffic and is not readable as a prohibitory sign until it is
too late to comply. A sign that does not face the oncoming
driver does not fulfil the authoritys duty under Regulation 18
to adequately convey the restriction.
3. Compliance would require an unsafe manoeuvre
By the time the sign becomes visible, it is not possible to
stop or turn safely without causing danger to other road users.
Enforcement cannot rely on signage that requires a sudden stop
or hazardous reversing movement. The heigh of the sign combined
with the already tight turn, would be unfair to expect driver to
absorb all of this in a split second.
For these reasons the signage does not meet statutory
requirements and the alleged contravention did not occur. I
request that the PCN is cancelled.
If the authority does not agree, please provide:
the Traffic Management Order covering this location
the signage placement plan
the latest inspection and maintenance records
confirmation that the sign orientation was checked on the date
in question
I will rely on my video evidence at adjudication if required.
--- End Code ---
--- Code ---
HZ9759050A (15:27 Sawley Road Eastbound / Bloemfontein Road)
To: London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
Regarding: PCN HZ9759050A
Vehicle: KW75 EXK
Date of alleged contravention: 20 February 2026 at 15:27
Location: RMV Sawley Road Eastbound near junction with
Bloemfontein Road
Grounds: No contravention. Signage relates to the opposite
direction of travel.
I challenge this PCN on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur. My video evidence clearly shows
that the restriction signs apply only to vehicles entering
Sawley Road from Bloemfontein Road.
At the material time, my vehicle was exiting Sawley Road,
travelling in the opposite direction, away from the signs. The
prohibitory signs face oncoming traffic entering the road. They
do not face nor apply to vehicles leaving the restricted area.
A vehicle cannot contravene a restriction that is:
not facing the driver
not visible to exiting traffic
not intended to regulate motorists travelling in that
direction
This is confirmed by my video, which shows the signs
positioned solely for inbound traffic. No contravention can
occur when a driver is travelling away from a restriction,
because the Traffic Management Order and signage only regulate
the inbound movement.
Since the restriction does not apply to vehicles exiting, the
alleged contravention did not occur.
I request that the PCN be cancelled.
If the authority does not agree, please provide:
the Traffic Management Order including direction of travel for
the restriction
the signage plan showing sign orientation
inspection records confirming sign positioning on the date in
question
justification for enforcing a restriction against a movement
it does not regulate
I will rely on my video evidence at adjudication if necessary.
--- End Code ---
Is this acceptable? Is it worth mentioning the 2 minute window
for repeated fine from the same operator for same
contravention?, something along the lines of:
Another PCN was issued two minutes earlier/later in the Wormholt
Neighbourhood improvement location by the same camera operator.
This indicates that the overall signage layout in the area is
not providing clear or timely information to motorists. A
properly conveyed restriction does not result in two alleged
contraventions in such a short window.
#Post#: 112802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 11, 2026, 6:25 am
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--- Quote ---
> Another PCN was issued two minutes earlier/later in the
Wormholt Neighbourhood improvement location by the same camera
operator. This indicates that the overall signage layout in the
area is not providing clear or timely information to motorists.
A properly conveyed restriction does not result in two alleged
contraventions in such a short window.
--- End Quote ---
You can put it in, but the two locations are completely separate
albeit part of the same zone. The council will reject whatever
you say anyway; they want your cash !
#Post#: 112841--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: mfaiz
Date: March 11, 2026, 9:59 am
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I suppose I am trying to see if it will helpful or detrimental
to my case. I had a 52m last year slightly different
circumstances, but was cancelled by H&F themselves on first ask
(thanks to this forum), no tribunal or rejections.
#Post#: 112845--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 11, 2026, 10:08 am
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This council can be forgiving of first time contraventions in
new LTN schemes, and especially so if you were going to a local
address rather than a cut-through.
So you could lead on this and add your other points but less
confrontationally.
Another approach is to pay the first and ask for discretion on
the second.
#Post#: 113899--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: mfaiz
Date: March 20, 2026, 6:43 pm
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Got a video of the area not sure if this sign was up when it
happened to me. Nonetheless , the driver did say even though,
the dashcam doesnt show it properly, it was obscured by tree
branches but not that much
HTML https://limewire.com/d/bavtr#wYWZdLuLlT
[member=8228]cmmanage[/member] something for you too?
#Post#: 113925--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 21, 2026, 6:29 am
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The advance warning sign seems clear enough. The actual
restriction signs are quite high up but would satisfy an
adjudicator, I think.
#Post#: 113964--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: mfaiz
Date: March 21, 2026, 1:50 pm
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I agree, the sign is there and clear. Im struggling to think id
have missed that (not saying i didnt) , unless it wasnt there in
the first place, as someone else in the forum said they didnt
see it either last month. Makes me think that this could be new.
#Post#: 113966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham Two PCNs Code 52M Prohibition
on motor vehicles Sawley Rd & Steventon Rd
DIR By: tincombe
Date: March 21, 2026, 2:56 pm
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Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle?
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