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Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopping
in a box junction when prohibited
By: mewmew Date: March 6, 2026, 3:37 pm
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Hi everyone,
I received a notice of enforcement from JACOBS today (issued on
02/03/2026) for a PCN from Trafford Council dated from
22/09/2025.
I never before received any mail / email notification regarding
this (around that time I was moving from Liverpool to Manchester
but I changed the registered address of the car quite promptly
upon moving).
Can view evidence here :
HTML https://pcnportal.trafford.gov.uk/VEH/Live/3sc/3sc-us/
Reg no: DK62KWO
PCN: TR80413065
To be fair, I come from Greece where there are no YBJ and up
until today I was not familiar with the relevant traffic rules
regarding them.
I would like to ask the following two questions please:
1. Are there reasonable grounds to appeal the whole penalty
itself?
2. Can I appeal the extra cost of JACOBS involvement (debt
115gbp + compliance stage fee 75gbp) as it is the very first
time I receive any notification of this penalty?
Thank you very much for any support.
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: MrChips Date: March 6, 2026, 4:38 pm
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You don't necessarily have the right to appeal as that is time
limited. However if you did update your vehicle's registered
keeper address promptly and this was just unfortunate timing you
have a reasonable chance of getting the PCN reset and the
bailiff fees refunded.
Others know more about the process than me so see what they say.
#Post#: 112326--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: fraser.mitchell Date: March 6, 2026, 6:06 pm
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OK, so the PCN date is 22nd Sept 2025. The last V5C update is
8th October 2025. Can you remember how you reported the V5C
update; was it online or did you send off the relevant V5C
section by post ?
I think the two dates are sufficiently close together to support
an Out-of-Time Witness Statement that you updated your V5C
promptly on moving house. It is a postal PCN so the PCN date
will be some days after the contravention date.
Advice is to pay the bailiff, because you are only at the
compliance fee stage, (£75). If they visit your address they
will add on £235. Both these amounts are statutory, so you
cannot object to them. Paying the bailiff has no effect on
whether your OOT WS will be accepted at TEC.
The £115 is the council debt, made up of: -
- the original PCN amount, (£70)
- then 50% added for a Charge Certificate, (£35)
- then £10 for registration of the debt at the TEC.
You need two forms, (1) Form TE7 to request your WS be accepted
OOT, and (2) Form TE9 which is the Witness Statement in which
you say why you are submitting it. Both of these can be
downloaded from the TEC website. Ignore their incorrect text
that says these are just for DART Charge etc. They are for use
with all contraventions under the Traffic Management Act 2004 as
well
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms
As you are very new to UK motoring and bailiff law, I suggest
you contact: -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
to make sure you fill the forms in correctly. If you don't, the
Traffic Enforcement Centre will just reject them.
Even if they are accepted, this does not get the original PCN
cancelled. ALl your declaration gets you to is the original PCN
stage, and you can then appeal it or pay it.
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: mewmew Date: March 6, 2026, 7:06 pm
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Thank you for your helpful replies.
If I remember correctly I reported the V5C update online. I even
remember calling the police to ask about any penalties the day I
reported it but unfortunately they did not know anything.
I just find it so dishonest that they never sent a reminder or
something only for me to find out 6 months later that in 5 days
I will have someone visiting my house!
So do you suggest I pay the whole amount (£115 + £75) and also
apply with Out-of-Time Witness Statement that I updated my V5C
promptly on moving house ?
If the declaration gets accepted and get me to the original PCN
stage, do I then get a refund for the extra charges?
Thanks a lot in advance for the support
Mike
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: MrChips Date: March 7, 2026, 12:54 am
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22 September is actually the date of the offence rather than the
PCN so likely the PCN was issued a week or two later which
reduces the gap still further.
If your application is accepted, you will get all the money
back. But you may still have to pay the PCN at the original rate
if you don't successfully appeal it.
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: fraser.mitchell Date: March 7, 2026, 3:27 am
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[quote]I just find it so dishonest that they never sent a
reminder or something only for me to find out 6 months later
that in 5 days I will have someone visiting my house![/quote]
Well, not really. When they obtained the name and address
registered to your car, you had not yet updated it, so all
enforcement documents were sent to your old address. It seems
you did not set-up mail redirection. They are obliged to use the
name and address supplied by DVLA for all documents. However,
bailiffs livelihodd depends on finding debtors, so they are very
proactive in doing so.
Anyway, find out the date of the PCN, so you can quote its
likely delivery date on your OOT Witness Statement, plus the
date you changed the address. I don't think you'll have too much
trouble getting the matter reverted to the PCN, but come back
here if you're having a problem. The enforcing council can
object to an OOT submission, so maybe phone them to say what
happened and ask that they do not object to your OOT.
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: mewmew Date: March 7, 2026, 4:32 am
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Thank you very much both, I really appreciate the time and the
support.
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: tincombe Date: March 7, 2026, 4:52 am
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What is the date the PCN was issued pl? This should be on
Jacobs' notice of enforcement.
Trafford's website says it's 22 Sept, but this is improbable
because the date of contravention(shown in their evidence
photos) is also 22 Sept!
The website has a 'virtual assistant' so I suggest you ask it
for the date of issue of PCN TR80413065
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Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopp
ing in a box junction when prohibited
By: mewmew Date: March 7, 2026, 11:06 am
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It is not written on the Jacobs enforcement notice - I have
asked the Trafford Council team about the date.
Thanks
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