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Re: Car damage from railway crossing barrier
DIR By: sparx
Date: November 25, 2023, 7:06 pm
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> On the white lines point I accept I should have waited but
honestly I didn’t expect to get stuck where I was as there was
no traffic the other side of the crossing. I’m still not sure
why there was a traffic jam where I was as it was!
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But the vehicle in front of you was preventing you from passing
the crossing, so IMO you should not have proceeded past the
white line, regardless of if there was a traffic jam or not.
What if there was a train with a much wider load passing
through?
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> However I do accept that crossing past the line was my fault
and that may well be the argument they use against me assuming
they even do respond to my complaint.
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Absolutely. If there was defective markings or some other cause
then yes, even I would be looking for someone to pay for the
damage. But in this case I think perhaps it is a learning point
and something you would not do again.
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> If that crossing is CCTV controlled then that means the
operator chose to bring it down - not only 4 minutes before the
train arrives but on top of my car.
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I bet the view from CCTV would not clearly show your car in the
way of the barrier (cameras situated at an angle which does not
show), or that the barrier is automated from a closing/opening
point of view, and the operator just checks that the lines
themselves are clear.
4 minutes is not unheard of, there are several crossings here
where you can be waiting for 5 mins+ (and also one crossing
where the amber lights never used to work, but they've now fixed
that).
#Post#: 11258--------------------------------------------------
Re: Car damage from railway crossing barrier
DIR By: tonys
Date: November 26, 2023, 1:39 am
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--- Quote from: Spinstorm link ---
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> If that crossing is CCTV controlled then that means the
operator chose to bring it down - not only 4 minutes before the
train arrives but on top of my car.
>
> The question about what else would they be able to do is a
good question. I don’t know if each side of the crossing it able
to be lowered separately or not. But I was stationary and there
was a queue of cars behind me. If that barrier had stayed up no
one would have gone ahead of me. And they could maybe have still
lowered the other side. But regardless of if each side was able
to be controlled separately I’m sure the operator decided that
they would be in more trouble NOT lowering the barriers than
hiting my car.
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The 4 minutes before the train arrived suggests a signal
interlinked (interlocked?) crossing, where the railway signals
can't be cleared unless the barrier sequence is complete. In
that case the signalman's only alternative would have been to
cancel the barrier sequence, assuming that was possible, and
accept the train(s) would be brought to a stop.
I suspect light and barrier sequence may be automated, the
signalman just starting the sequence, rather than operating
separate controls for amber, red, barriers. Their use of CCTV
may be just to check the crossing is clear before clearing
signals for the train.
#Post#: 11350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Car damage from railway crossing barrier
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: November 27, 2023, 1:40 am
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--- Quote from: tonys link ---
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> The 4 minutes before the train arrived suggests a signal
interlinked (interlocked?) crossing, where the railway signals
can't be cleared unless the barrier sequence is complete. In
that case the signalman's only alternative would have been to
cancel the barrier sequence, assuming that was possible, and
accept the train(s) would be brought to a stop.
>
> I suspect light and barrier sequence may be automated, the
signalman just starting the sequence, rather than operating
separate controls for amber, red, barriers. Their use of CCTV
may be just to check the crossing is clear before clearing
signals for the train.
>
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On such a crossing, if the barriers were held up by
anyone/anything (e.g. a car), then they won't be "proved" to be
down, and the signal covering the crossing won't clear. In
effect, any train approaching would have to stop until the
barriers are properly down. This may well have come to the
attention of the signaller, as the barriers didn't come down
properly, and would probably have been logged in some way.
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