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#Post#: 112006--------------------------------------------------
UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle charging
bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: loady
Date: March 4, 2026, 4:41 am
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My vehicle received a ticket whilst parked in a parking bay
outside where my elderly mother with dementia and Alzheimers was
attending an appointment, it has been parked here and around on
previous occasions and the signs have also been observer in
others bays, the signs all look identical as do the parking
bays, the PCN was issued because it was parked in an electric
vehicle charging bay whilst not charging, my mum has a blue
badge and difficulty with mobility and this was cleary displayed
in the window.
Is this an invoice or PCN, sould i just ignore it or are there
steps i can take by writing to them.
Tanks you as always.
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#Post#: 112017--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 4, 2026, 6:21 am
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It's an invoice but we would not recommend ignoring it as it can
still have serious consequences, ultimately the keeper of the
vehicle could get a CCJ which would seriously screw up their
credit rating for 7 years.
You can lodge an appeal but you need good grounds for that to be
successful. In this case there may be a number.
Was there a ticket on the windscreen or was this the first
you've been notified of the PCN?
The immediate issue I can see with this is there is no period of
parking stipulated, they needed to observe the vehicle for at
least 5 minutes for a contract to have been formed, the driver
could have legitimately left the vehicle to read the signs
before realising they should not be parking there and driving
off within the mandatory consideration period.
Second avenue may be signage but as there's a sign above the
vehicle in the picture on the PCN we'd need to see an image of
it to be able to advise if that is an avenue for appeal. Could
also do with seeing the reverse of the PCN letter.
The downside here is CPM are IPC members and the (not)
Independent Appeals Service is the second stage appeal. Neither
are likely to grant an appeal however well founded.
#Post#: 112020--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: loady
Date: March 4, 2026, 6:40 am
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--- Quote from: ixxy link ---
>
> It's an invoice but we would not recommend ignoring it as it
can still have serious consequences, ultimately the keeper of
the vehicle could get a CCJ which would seriously screw up their
credit rating for 7 years.
>
> You can lodge an appeal but you need good grounds for that to
be successful. In this case there may be a number.
>
> Was there a ticket on the windscreen or was this the first
you've been notified of the PCN?
>
> The immediate issue I can see with this is there is no period
of parking stipulated, they needed to observe the vehicle for at
least 5 minutes for a contract to have been formed, the driver
could have legitimately left the vehicle to read the signs
before realising they should not be parking there and driving
off within the mandatory consideration period.
>
> Second avenue may be signage but as there's a sign above the
vehicle in the picture on the PCN we'd need to see an image of
it to be able to advise if that is an avenue for appeal. Could
also do with seeing the reverse of the PCN letter.
>
> The downside here is CPM are IPC members and the (not)
Independent Appeals Service is the second stage appeal. Neither
are likely to grant an appeal however well founded.
>
--- End Quote ---
No, there wasnt a PCN issued to the actual vehicle, i will get a
picture of the signage in a day or two. The reverse of the PCN
is there now, it was inserted as an image.
Sounds like from what you say, it matters not if i make an
appeal, they will just say no and then i have no recourse ?
#Post#: 112021--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: March 4, 2026, 6:52 am
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The PCN is definitely not PoFA compliant and several elements of
Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2) are not met by this NtK.
#Post#: 112034--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: Brenda_R2
Date: March 4, 2026, 8:26 am
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--- Quote from: loady link ---
>
>
> Sounds like from what you say, it matters not if i make an
appeal, they will just say no and then i have no recourse ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Your recourse is to appeal as the registered keeper, never the
driver.
Follow the advice from the very wise posters here and there is a
very strong chance that CPM will drop this before it ends up in
front of a District Judge.
#Post#: 112043--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 4, 2026, 9:29 am
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It depends, it's always worth appealing, you might be lucky, at
the least it indicates you're going to challenge them and shows
you acted in good faith should it get to court.
However most appeals we see here do get rejected, mainly because
people generally have relatively weak grounds to appeal. Most
people who have strong grounds, frustration of contract, car
breakdown, medical emergency, genuine customer will often just
naively appeal and depending on the private parking company have
a reasonable chance of it getting cancelled.
For example getting into a detailed argument over whether the
wording on the PCN is or isn't fully POFA compliant isn't going
to win any appeals. Challenging the PPC regarding sufficiency of
signage (with evidence) or not providing a consideration period
are stronger grounds less open to interpretation. Unfortunately
you are dealing with an IPC affiliated operator and the fact
they've issued a PCN without a stated period of parking would
suggest they see the rules as guidelines at best.
#Post#: 112066--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: Brenda_R2
Date: March 4, 2026, 11:12 am
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Whether or not POFA compliance “wins an appeal” isn’t really the
point. IAS appeals almost never succeed on any grounds, so using
appeal outcomes as the benchmark is misleading.
POFA matters because if the Notice to Keeper doesn’t meet the
statutory requirements, the operator cannot transfer liability
to the keeper. That becomes crucial later if they try court
action.
So while POFA arguments may not persuade the IAS, they
absolutely do matter when assessing the legal enforceability of
the charge and the operator’s ability to pursue the keeper.
It would actually be a whole lot simpler if all of these parking
companies simply made sure that their speculative invoices were
fully POFA-compliant :)
#Post#: 112076--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: ixxy
Date: March 4, 2026, 12:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Brenda_R2 link ---
>
> It would actually be a whole lot simpler if all of these
parking companies simply made sure that their speculative
invoices were fully POFA-compliant :)
>
--- End Quote ---
They would undoubtedly argue they are and the perceived wisdom
on here is wrong ;)
The point I'm trying to make is that people come here looking
for help, sometimes the POFA compliance argument gives people
false hope because of the way it is phrased that they will be
able to win an appeal with it. We know that's not the case. With
BPA / POPLA appeals there is more chance of succeeding so
relying on stronger appeal points makes more sense if they exist
or better still rely on plan A.
#Post#: 113508--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: loady
Date: March 17, 2026, 7:07 am
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Only got there today again with my mum and took some pictures, i
feel this is a bit of a sting operation, i saw the guy milling
around waiting for people to park in this bay, he doesnt issue
tickets, he has what looks to be a handheld device that he just
takes pictures with. The signs are all the same, there is
nothing on the post to denote this bay is a parking bay for
charging electric vehicles, quite honestly, the thing on the
lamp post is not visible from the car on drivers side, looking
at it today, it looks like a litter bin or ashtray for
ciggarette butts.
The car pictured in the bay is not mine, it is some other poor
unsuspecting driver.
How should go about wording my appeal to this, i think i might
also be outside of the preiod to pay it at a reduced rate, this
is because i was away and didnt take my mother to this
appointment the next time and only came back today.
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Re: UK Car Park Management - Parked in an electric vehicle
charging bay - Springfield village SW17
DIR By: loady
Date: March 19, 2026, 8:03 am
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just received this from them today, can anyone advise how i
should structure an appeal, do i say i dont know who was driving
at time or just not mention any driver ?
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