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#Post#: 114322--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 25, 2026, 4:46 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Their letter is the usual tosh we see so often. They keep
referring to CPZ signs
>
> A Permit Parking Zone cannot be part of a Controlled Parking
Zone. All a CPZ does is control the restriction hours of
single-yellow lines within the zone. So if this PPZ has no
supporting traffic order, then PCNs for parking without a permit
within it are void. The CPZ entry signs give no hint of a PPZ.
>
> In fairness, they seem to have erected repeater signs as well
as the entry signs. Frankly the only way to get a proper
decision is to take them to London Tribunals, but you first
would have to wait for the Notice to Owner, submit your reps
again, but this time enhanced from our advice here. Once
rejected again, you then can register an appeal at CC. Of
course, you have to risk the full PCN penalty there.
>
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Of course "CC" should have been typed as "LT" . I must be
getting old, and I am getting old as I'll be 80 in July !! Maybe
I should retire.
#Post#: 114328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: dk007
Date: March 25, 2026, 5:23 am
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Thanks for clarifying, my main worry here is, i have the option
of paying £80 now which i will not have if i decide to contest
this and it will become £160. I know for sure they will reject
my formal reps and it will go to LT. At that point, if i need to
take help from the experts here to represent, i might have to
pay for their invaluable time which if it comes to £50-£60, i
might as well pay £80 now and save all this pain for me and
others.
--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
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> You're getting ahead of yourself. This is still the informal
stage, pl see the enforcement process here:
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HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process
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> As I posted earlier, they were bound to reject because they're
in charge at present, they're stupid and money-hungry: what a
lethal combination!
>
> Anyway, IMO wait for the NTO and let's hope they mess up with
this as well.
>
> You are the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
>
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#Post#: 114334--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: tincombe
Date: March 25, 2026, 5:49 am
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More often than not the discount is re-offered even after
unsuccessful reps.
Why would you think you would not be successful at adjudication,
their reasoning is total nonsense?
#Post#: 114340--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: dk007
Date: March 25, 2026, 6:20 am
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I meant not being successful at formal representations, I know I
might win at adjudication level. I was trying to understand the
cost involved once I reach the adjudication stage.
and dvla address is correct so that is all good.
--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> More often than not the discount is re-offered even after
unsuccessful reps.
>
> Why would you think you would not be successful at
adjudication, their reasoning is total nonsense?
>
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#Post#: 117477--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: dk007
Date: April 30, 2026, 5:47 pm
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Hi, I have received Notice to keeper , I am attaching the images
below:
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/FEFGcYn_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/plyemL9_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/jHiKzVQ_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/D0a07qc_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/eMZMYuH_xl.jpg
Please could you suggest what to write in my represenatations.
Thanks
#Post#: 117499--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 1, 2026, 5:37 am
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IMO, the contravention occurred based upon the on-street facts
i.e. unmarked length of highway within a Permit Parking Area
whose entrances are marked with prescribed traffic signs.
Procedurally, as far as we know the authority doesn't have any
PPA signs in evidence and seems to be relying upon the location
being within a CPZ.
I would make reps based upon the simple facts that you parked on
an unmarked length of carriageway, that you were served with a
PCN alleging a contravention associated with a parking place and
that the authority's argument as stated in the response to your
informal representations relies upon the location being within a
Controlled Parking Zone which, as the authority should know,
does not restrict parking other than on marked waiting and
loading restrictions.
You are now confused because the authority's argument does not
support the contravention, but despite this the PCN has not been
cancelled.
Wait for others.
#Post#: 117960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: dk007
Date: May 6, 2026, 3:10 pm
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Thanks a lot for your response. I was wondering if others had
any thoughts?
#Post#: 118832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: dk007
Date: May 16, 2026, 5:54 am
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Hello Experts,
I think the date by which I have to make a representation for
this is 19/05 or 20/05, if someone could help me draft it please
so it can be filed in time.
Thanks
#Post#: 119270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: dk007
Date: May 19, 2026, 7:52 pm
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Please could someone help with this, i hope i am still on the
last day to make a representation.
#Post#: 119301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without
valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 20, 2026, 6:59 am
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Picking up tincombe, you can send this - they do refer to a PPA
in the rejection but override with being in a CPZ.
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I am making representations that the contravention did not
occur.
The facts are that I parked on an unmarked length of carriageway
and you served a PCN alleging a contravention associated with a
parking place.
In your rejection to my informal challenge you rely on the
location being within a controlled parking zone which, as the
authority should know, does not restrict parking other than on
marked waiting and loading restrictions.
Your position does not support the contravention, so I trust
that this time you will cancel the PCN.
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