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Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: C_H_R_I_S Date: March 9, 2026, 8:12 am
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[quote author=Grant Urismo link=topic=10117.msg112472#msg112472
date=1773008169]
See what other more experienced members say, but I think there
may be some value in appealing the 2 PCNs individually to avoid
a situation where an adjudicator looks at both and decides you
should pay one. My slightly amateur assessment is that the
second should be a slam dunk at adjudication, so getting the
Council to fold on the first one should be your initial focus.
[/quote]
SO basically I use all arguments stated above on the first PCN
Then on the second PCN -
say a pcn of the same type cannot be given when already
existing
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Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: tincombe Date: March 9, 2026, 11:07 am
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I would find it useful to get all objective facts in one place
so these can be reviewed.
No. PCNs at issue: 2
Dates of issue: 2nd March at 14.29 and 3rd March at 9.44am
Alleged contravention: in both cases 'failure to display etc. a
VALID resident's permit...'
Are you a permit holder: yes.
Previous permit expired: ??
Are there any photos: yes.
What do they show: In respect of PCN 1(2 March), a PCN envelope
served at 14.30. A sequence of 4 photos, 3 of which are of the
car and taken in a 2-minute window. None shows the OP. In
respect of PCN2, 3 March, there are numerous photos showing the
car in what appears to be the same location as for PCN 1 but
with only a single PCN envelope attached to the car. In both
cases there appears to be a permit clearly displayed in the
windscreen.
OP, is it vital that you let us know when your previous permit
expired and when you renewed.
IMO, your draft sets the wrong tone. You are not on strong
ground regarding non-service of the first PCN because there is
evidence that it was served at the time stated. It is the
driver's burden to have the necessary parking rights and unless
you can show that the council obligates itself to notify holders
then IMO your submissions on this point are unsupported by
evidence and go to mitigation at best.
IMO, what is clear is that arguments regarding single
contravention and issuing 2 PCNs within a 24-hour period(which
are separate issues) apply in respect of PCN 2 and that, subject
to when your permit expired, the 'penalty exceeds the a amount
applicable ...circumstances of the case' applies to both PCNs
because it's the incorrect penalty level i.e. the only penalty
would be at the lower rate whereas your penalties are at the
higher rate.
HTML https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-03/Penalty%20Charge%20Notices%20Contravention%20Code%20List%202025%20%28Webpage%20Version%29%20%281%29.pdf
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Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: C_H_R_I_S Date: March 9, 2026, 11:25 am
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[quote author=tincombe link=topic=10117.msg112559#msg112559
date=1773072461]
I would find it useful to get all objective facts in one place
so these can be reviewed.
No. PCNs at issue: 2
Dates of issue: 2nd March at 14.29 and 3rd March at 9.44am
Alleged contravention: in both cases 'failure to display etc. a
VALID resident's permit...'
Are you a permit holder: yes.
Previous permit expired: ??
Are there any photos: yes.
What do they show: In respect of PCN 1(2 March), a PCN envelope
served at 14.30. A sequence of 4 photos, 3 of which are of the
car and taken in a 2-minute window. None shows the OP. In
respect of PCN2, 3 March, there are numerous photos showing the
car in what appears to be the same location as for PCN 1 but
with only a single PCN envelope attached to the car. In both
cases there appears to be a permit clearly displayed in the
windscreen.
OP, is it vital that you let us know when your previous permit
expired and when you renewed.
IMO, your draft sets the wrong tone. You are not on strong
ground regarding non-service of the first PCN because there is
evidence that it was served at the time stated. It is the
driver's burden to have the necessary parking rights and unless
you can show that the council obligates itself to notify holders
then IMO your submissions on this point are unsupported by
evidence and go to mitigation at best.
IMO, what is clear is that arguments regarding single
contravention and issuing 2 PCNs within a 24-hour period(which
are separate issues) apply in respect of PCN 2 and that, subject
to when your permit expired, the 'penalty exceeds the a amount
applicable ...circumstances of the case' applies to both PCNs
because it's the incorrect penalty level i.e. the only penalty
would be at the lower rate whereas your penalties are at the
higher rate.
HTML https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-03/Penalty%20Charge%20Notices%20Contravention%20Code%20List%202025%20%28Webpage%20Version%29%20%281%29.pdf
[/quote]
Wow good points...
In answer to your questions:
My permit was expired at time of pcns and it has been recently
renewed now.
REASON:
I usually recieve a permit remninder by email. This year they
switched providers and I did not And I also couldnt login to
renew my permit with technical issueson their site.
I know its my responsibility to renew but this should offer
something in terms of leeway I hope.
This compounds with their CEO that REFUSED to communicate with
me. I couldve just moved my car and wouldnt have got any ticket
but he walked off and later came back with a ticket when I wasnt
looking and falsified the times (IMO).
I also have an email formal complaint on this guy and can link
it in my evidence.
EDIT:
After looking at your link It seems My Pcn is for a higher
charge as my physical and virtual permit were expired?
arstuwy4 Parked in a residents� or shared use parking place or
zone without a
valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical
permit or
voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where
required,
or without payment of the parking charge
Higher Code specific suffixes apply
#Post#: 112578--------------------------------------------------
Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: John U.K. Date: March 9, 2026, 1:55 pm
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[quote]OP, is it vital that you let us know when your previous
permit expired and when you renewed. [/quote]
[quote]
My permit was expired at time of pcns and it has been recently
renewed now.[/quote]
You have managed to neatly avoid dealing with tincombe's point -
dates please, of expiry and of renewal..
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Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: C_H_R_I_S Date: March 9, 2026, 4:36 pm
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[quote author=John U.K. link=topic=10117.msg112578#msg112578
date=1773082534]
[quote]OP, is it vital that you let us know when your previous
permit expired and when you renewed. [/quote]
[quote]
My permit was expired at time of pcns and it has been recently
renewed now.[/quote]
You have managed to neatly avoid dealing with tincombe's point -
dates please, of expiry and of renewal..
[/quote]
TO answer the question exactly I believe it expired January
25th.
How does that affect the PCN?
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Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: C_H_R_I_S Date: March 10, 2026, 11:31 am
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[quote author=John U.K. link=topic=10117.msg112578#msg112578
date=1773082534]
[quote]OP, is it vital that you let us know when your previous
permit expired and when you renewed. [/quote]
[quote]
My permit was expired at time of pcns and it has been recently
renewed now.[/quote]
You have managed to neatly avoid dealing with tincombe's point -
dates please, of expiry and of renewal..
[/quote]
Renewal date was 9thMarch (yesterday as I couldnt log in until
then)
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Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: tincombe Date: March 10, 2026, 12:27 pm
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There was a gap of 5 weeks between the expiry of your permit and
the first PCN and a further week after you were put on notice by
receiving the PCNs and you actually renewing.
IMO, these facts fatally undermine the 'invalid' v 'valid'
argument and harm your credibility as regards not being able to
log in should you take the matter to adjudication
IMO, you should lead with 2 PCNs within a 24-hour period and
continuous contravention.
#Post#: 112737--------------------------------------------------
Re: CEO Revenge - PCN Misconduct
By: C_H_R_I_S Date: March 10, 2026, 12:57 pm
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Well - yes the first gap was due to not recieveing the renewal
email.. My fault of couorse.
The second gap after pcn was due to me not able to log in and
them closing the office at 3pm for calls.
In the meantime I parked on a friends driveway (which I couldve
done at any point had I known the permit was expired)
UPDATE from CEO complaint:
Based on the evidence available, we acknowledge that the
officer�s conduct on this occasion did not meet the standards of
professionalism and communication required. We understand how
this would have caused frustration and uncertainty for you, and
we would like to offer our sincere apologies for the experience
you described
Does that warrant anything in my pcn appeal?
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