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#Post#: 111676--------------------------------------------------
Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: aproley
Date: March 1, 2026, 2:06 pm
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Hello, I'm hoping someone may be able to help with this PCN that
my father has received. Seems lots of people have been caught
out here on other posts I've spotted so looking for advice on
the best course of action at this time. Is an appeal worth it
here? If so, I would be very grateful if someone could help with
the appeal please.
Details of the PCN:
Council - Ealing
The alleged contravention - 32JD Failing to proceed in direction
shown on blue sign
Location - Greenford - I believe at the junction of Greenford
Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
I have included links below to the pictures of the PCN and CCTV
images and video provided by the council on viewmypcn.
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/EXMdZBh
HTML https://youtu.be/8vpkuqM0gk8
#Post#: 111686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 1, 2026, 3:33 pm
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Please post a GSV link so we can see what is on the traffic
lights you were standing at.
#Post#: 111694--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: aproley
Date: March 1, 2026, 7:38 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Please post a GSV link so we can see what is on the traffic
lights you were standing at.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your response Incandescent. I'm 99% sure this is the
junction based on the video, however I will double check with my
father in the morning.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/BLmsP8kr5LiHNicXA
#Post#: 111695--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: beedmo
Date: March 1, 2026, 7:50 pm
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I’m a local to that area. That is the location.
Funnily enough, the footage comes from a car with a mobile
camera which is ILLEGALLY parked in a loading bay but it’s all
fine because it’s a council contractor.
#Post#: 111704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 2, 2026, 3:48 am
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So here is a less crowded GSV view (Sept 22) showing the traffic
light displays: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/9Q3Pwt2AmqobMey27
and another for Aug 21
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/P5mxHs2FsBWCFzxy8
Note the mandatory right turn arrow.
The views show that the LH lights are for the LH lane and
display green arrows for straight ahead and left. When this
array is green, the RH lane array is red, then when the LH lane
array is red, the RH lane array shows a green mandatory right
turn arrow. So the inference from the video, which doesn't show
the traffic light displays, is that your father went ahead on
red. However, by not showing the traffic lights, and hence the
signs passed, he could well have a case at London Tribunals, but
must, of course, first submit representations to Ealing.
#Post#: 111748--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: aproley
Date: March 2, 2026, 7:34 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So here is a less crowded GSV view (Sept 22) showing the
traffic light displays: -
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/9Q3Pwt2AmqobMey27
> and another for Aug 21
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/P5mxHs2FsBWCFzxy8
> Note the mandatory right turn arrow.
> The views show that the LH lights are for the LH lane and
display green arrows for straight ahead and left. When this
array is green, the RH lane array is red, then when the LH lane
array is red, the RH lane array shows a green mandatory right
turn arrow. So the inference from the video, which doesn't show
the traffic light displays, is that your father went ahead on
red. However, by not showing the traffic lights, and hence the
signs passed, he could well have a case at London Tribunals, but
must, of course, first submit representations to Ealing.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for this Incandescent. It does seem to be the case, a
momentary lapse of judgement or perhaps an incorrectly judged
safe and legal procedure. I appreciate you looking into it. Out
of interest, how were you able to get these old GSV links for
the same junction? I wasn't aware this facility existed.
Would you be able to help me with the appeal if it's reasonable
to do so?
I've noticed a few other posts as well where people have been
caught out on the same junction - links below:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-alleged-traffic-contravention-of-32jd/15/
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-council-greenford-road-code-32jd-fail-proceed-in-direction-shown-by-arrow/
#Post#: 111749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 2, 2026, 7:50 am
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If you go onto GSV and then to the street view, at top left of
the view in the black box, you'll see the date of the view, then
to the right (in blue text), 'See more dates' This only appears
if there are more views.
It's best if you or your father write the representations to the
council.They have to prove their case, so for reps, (which will
be rejected no matter how valid), you just need to say that the
video does not show you passing and restrictive signs or aspects
on the traffic lights and leave it at that.
#Post#: 111811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: aproley
Date: March 2, 2026, 3:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> If you go onto GSV and then to the street view, at top left of
the view in the black box, you'll see the date of the view, then
to the right (in blue text), 'See more dates' This only appears
if there are more views.
>
> It's best if you or your father write the representations to
the council.They have to prove their case, so for reps, (which
will be rejected no matter how valid), you just need to say that
the video does not show you passing and restrictive signs or
aspects on the traffic lights and leave it at that.
>
--- End Quote ---
Cool thanks for that, good to know.
Sorry but I'm not very clear on what I need to do here. By
writing a representation to the council, do you mean appealing
the PCN? What does 'reps' mean? and if it's going to get
rejected no matter what then is there a point to this exercise?
Sorry I'm just a little confused with it, hope you don't mind
elaborating on it a bit.
#Post#: 111818--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 2, 2026, 5:20 pm
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Problem with all the decriminalised legislation is that
"representations", and "appeals" are used far too often for the
same thing; they aren't. Only adjudicators rule on 'appeals',
everything else submitted against a PCN or a Notice to Owner,
are 'representations, ('reps' for short). Even councils commonly
get this wrong, so I understand your confusion, but the key
point is that representations are submitted to councils and also
Transport for London who have a financial interest in the
result. Appeals are dealt with by adjudicators who have no
financial interest in the result.
By rejecting virtually all reps (sorry !!), they ruthlessly game
the system for their financial benefit. This is because on
getting a rejection, most people, (like >95%), then just
cough-up to get the discount, knowing little or even nothing
about the law and regulations that govern enforcement of PCNs.
Many people don't even realise it is a civil not a criminal
matter and think if they take the matter to adjudication,
they'll be charged huge sums if they lose. This is totally
incorrect; the maximum possible financial exposure is the full
PCN penalty which is payable if one loses at adjudication; there
are no additional costs whatever. Some even worry they may get a
CCJ. This is impossible in the present system which was very
carefully written to make sure CCJs can never be awarded for
parking and traffic contraventions involving council PCN
enforcement.
The point about submitting reps is that you can only take a case
to the adjudicators once you have had reps to the council
rejected; that is how the system works.
You also hope that they will shoot themselves in the foot in
their reply and this happens more times than you might think.
Replies that are complete tosh are commonplace, and then give
the basis for an appeal to the adjudicators. Total
misstatements of the law are very common, like that for Yellow
Box Junctions. Also, if you just roll-over and cough-up, they
benefit even more by having to do virtally no work at all to get
their money. We call it "Joing the Mugged Club".
#Post#: 111819--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown,
Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
DIR By: aproley
Date: March 2, 2026, 5:31 pm
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Thanks for the detailed explanation Incandescent. That makes
perfect sense.
Just to clarify one thing - Is the idea to make reps and see if
the council has given us legal basis for an appeal to the
adjusicators? and if not, then would I be best to just pay the
reduced £80 charge (assuming they still offer that after the
response to my representation?). Out of interest, do you know
how likely it is for the appeal to adjudicators to be allowed?
Of course, after all this effort, I wouldn't want to end up with
my father having to pay the full £160 (or increased £240?)
charge.
Following the PCN letter, it seems I can make reps to the
council by emailing them on parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk
Could you confirm if I should make a representation similar to
one drafted by [member=1]cp8759[/member] in link below? If yes,
any idea what those links are supposed to be?
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-council-greenford-road-code-32jd-fail-proceed-in-direction-shown-by-arrow/msg22647/#msg22647
Thanks again, really appreciate your help.
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